Let me imagine how the melee "steal". A lvl 10 char fighting a mob, hurt
it for 20-30% dam. A lvl 20 melee come in and join the fight. By the time
the lvl 10 hurt it 40%, the high lvl hurt it for 55% liao. The lvl 10 get
the dam while the high lvl happily get the loot (no xp, they do it more for
the loot). True?
Aiya guys, dun worry to much lah. There is so many places to hunt in EQ.
I believe with trust-worthy kakis team, it's not that difficult to lvl up.
Those stealers can only play by themselves (whether in EQ or RL). Once
everybody reached lvl 50, they will still be the one who suffer ultimately
;)
Ooi YY, where is the Paw trip? ;)
Ziltus
On Wednesday, 07 July, 1999 11:05 AM, Alex [SMTP:
leealex@...]
wrote:
> From: "Alex" <leealex@...>
>
> A very obivous Scenerio of A STEAL
>
> Not necassary have to be a wiz, if u think that only wiz steals , u r
wrong.
> All type of Classes steals, from Monk to Shaman(and those not so
important
> Classes in between, 8-) ).
> "U spot a nastis no one is fighting . U r the first and only one fighting
it
> now. A spellcaster is invis/sitting pretty at a safe distance watching u
> fighting alone , U hit and kick and bite and scream at that nasties till
its
> down to about 55% HP left on it (U probaly have about 80% hp left).The
> Spellcaster stands up throw a heavy nuke and Kills it on the spot. He
hits
> it with 55% damage, u hit only 45%. He gets the loot AND the Xp.U get
> NOTHIN. oh..not really nothing , if u happened to be a tank-monk(VIC -aka
> VERY Important Class) , u get the injuries and the pissed. Tough :P
>
> Even seen a Enchanter "steal"?. He waits till another naties is about.
> "Charm" the nasties u r fighting. The Charmed nasties(the one your WERE
> fighting) turn around and fight the other nasties. He spellcasted and
hit
> the other nasties with the help of the Charmed . ah.. interesting... SUX.
> "Stealing"????
>
>
> Yiyang
> Monk'eying at East Karana with Trifrost
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Synzzz <hannibal@...>
> To: <sg-everquest@onelist.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [sg-everquest] Solo'ing
>
>
> >From: "Synzzz" <hannibal@...>
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >I think it's very sad that wiz get to steal kills like that. I'm a magi
and
> >i've yet to encounter it...
> >but i'm not jealous or anything..but i think this really spoils a game
when
> >ppl steal kills.
> >I never steal kill even when i'm a sole caster around and can nuke. I
mean
> >if everyone
> >could just be nicer...this game would be so much better. Then again..the
> >WORLD would be much
> >better...hehe...guess real life gets into everything *sigh*
> >
> >I just feel kinda demoralised at hearing such stuff about the game.
> >I'm not very sure on this but can you guys clarify?
> >When you and others attack a mob..the one that gets last kill has what
> >rewards? Loot?
> >I thought that as long as you contribute significant (50%?) of dmg to
> >mob..you get exp too?
> >Maybe someone can explain this to me =)
> >
> >I got alot to find out man...played a few days till now..still blur on
> >several things.
> >
> >p.s. What is IMHO???? "I Make Huge Oreos"?? "I aM a Horny Ogre"??
> >
> >Zanderion
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> >To: <sg-everquest@onelist.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: [sg-everquest] Solo'ing
> >
> >
> >> From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> >>
> >> It's very sad to see Trifrost changing sex, ops, I mean changing
class,
> >> hehe. I'll missed all the good old days of having free SOWing ;)
> >>
> >> From my personal experience, my hardest days as a wiz is between lvl
> 6-11.
> >> This is the time where our dd spell sux, our melee sux, we cant
steal,
> we
> >> cant block, we cant melee and has to live like a parasite begging
> everyone
> >> to let us tag along, haha (loss count of how many times I spaming the
> zone
> >> shouting for group and no one ever reply). After lvl 12, we start to
> pick
> >> up some face with the more 'presentable' shock spell, and our market
> value
> >> incease with lvl 16 lighing shock spell. I heard at lvl 20, we will
> start
> >> to get our very 1st mana efficient 'mass dd' spell - force shiok, ops
I
> >> mean shock, hehe. Maybe Leshrec can elaborate more on this. ;)
> >>
> >> I've been teaming with a magi and a bard since lvl 8 - Flyingfox and
> >> Deadflower. DF's song has save our butts many times but he is now
having
> >> his hardest day finding a magical weap to attack mobs tat can only be
> >> hurted by magic means. His melee is also lossing out when comparing
with
> >> paladin/shadowknight/warriors. For the past 2 night DF has died at
least
> >2
> >> times trying to tank in the group. Fox also start to face a hard time
> >> losing kills to those wiz of similar lvl. According to Sereph, magi
> will
> >> have a hard time getting their summoning spells from lvl 16 onwards,
> necro
> >> from lvl 20+ and wiz from lvl 30+ onwards.
> >>
> >> On the other hand I feel I'm playing at the peak of my wiz life so
far,
> >coz
> >> with the shieldskin, invis and root, I have no problem travelling and
> >> fighting a mob white or sometime yellow to me. Of coz, I still need a
> >> group for long term survival, but I start to feel the joy of playing
as a
> >> wiz. I remember the days I whine alot of been a weakling wiz during
> >newbie
> >> time coz I've so much problem in both soloing and grouping - very
often
> >I'm
> >> the first one who died in a group ;) Now I feel I have to ability to
> solo
> >> at times when I cant find a good team to join. (Hopefully I dun have
to
> >> whine again at higher lvl, hehe).
> >>
> >> I ever mentioned abt an articles I read on UOVault or UOSS abt
soloing,
> >> which the author ranking the race/class combo best for soloing in the
> >> following order:
> >> - Troll anything
> >> - Wiz
> >> - Shaman
> >> - Dwarven Cleric
> >> - Monk
> >> He also mentioned monk, been the lowest in soloing order, will
ultimately
> >> become the easiest to solo above lvl 30. Dunno if this is still true,
> but
> >> I just hope wiz remains to be a possible choice for soloing at high
lvl.
> >>
> >> Last night there is a big stealing party at HH. 90% of the
participants
> >> are pure casters, and melee chars all have to stand aside, hehe. Even
> >> combining Ling (lvl 18 wiz), Fox (lvl 17 magi) and I, we only have a
50%
> >> successful rate in getting a kill (well we are competing with lvl 20s
> >> there). Frankly speaking if thing con't to stay on like tat, I would
> >> rather hunt at oasis orc camp, thou the loot is much more lousy and
> >> inconvenient due to the wulu wulu location.
> >>
> >> Come to think of it, I dun think TF is taking too long lvling his
shaman,
> >> coz he has MIA for quite a while. If he find it too long, then he
shld
> >> compare me and Les - which I'm at one time 6 to 7 lvl lag behind him
coz
> >of
> >> house shifting - dun forget Les is also training his necro while I
only
> >> focusing on 1 char.
> >>
> >> No doubt a magi can solo well, coz he's like a provisional shop keeper
> >with
> >> most of the stuffs avilable at his summoning. H/w, I think we have to
> >> consider 2 sides of soloing - roleplaying aspect and realplaying
aspect.
> >> As a magi, u can have all the supplies at a wave of ya hand, but when
it
> >> come to hunting and lvling, you still need somone to tank, someone to
> nuke
> >> for u. A soloing magi will get no where at high lvl, coz wiz will
steal
> >> from u, tankers can last longer than u, and worse, half of ya XP goes
to
> >ya
> >> pet! So I will consider magi a very good choice for roleplaying but
not
> >> REALplaying. I guess necro is a better choice for REALplaying, since
> they
> >> can dot and drain hp (ie heal). Magi is next to enchanter when coming
to
> >> 'group' caster. I've nothing against it, but hope TF can consider the
> l/t
> >> implication instead of just current situation. Yes, the 1st lvl 8 I
met
> >in
> >> Prexus is a magi and a necro, who guard the Kobold camp whole day with
> >> their pets. But imagine like a place like HH pass, ya guarding pet
only
> >> provide a tank for those nukers - which they use ya pet to tank them
> while
> >> they laughing behind, nuking and stealing ya kill.
> >>
> >> EQ is a group game, personally I dun think any of the char I mentioned
> >> above is a good soloing choice. At most they can only be a good
> PART-TIME
> >> soloer, where u can still do a bit soloing when you dun feel like
teaming
> >> with others sometime (err who knows? some gals are in bad mood
certain
> >> time of the month, hehe).
> >>
> >> At least we have a big pool of local kakis which we can rely and
> dependent
> >> on, trusty worthy as well. I used to vioce out the loot order when I
> join
> >> other groups as a newbie, but now I prefer free loot coz I knew I can
> >trust
> >> our own kakis to bahave themselves. With all of us under the same
guild,
> >I
> >> dun think we will encounter much problem getting a descent group using
> the
> >> guildsay.
> >>
> >> As for the backward trick, it's not working for casters. Once we lose
a
> >> lvl, we lose the mana, which reduce our casting ability. Losing a lvl
at
> >> those critical lvl where we gain new spells will disable us to cast
the
> >new
> >> spells, even if I've memo it (already try it, not on purpose but I
always
> >> seem to die the moment I gain the lvl to cast new spells, hehe).
> >>
> >> I agreed with YY abt sometime we tends to slow down abit when
grouping.
> >> When I gain my last bubb of xp at lvl 18, I only need an hr, where I
> took
> >> whole Sunday grouping with others to gain 4 bubb, and mind u, I'm
playing
> >> the 'legal' nuking for my last bubb of xp. The worse time-vs-xp rate
is
> >> when I team with DF (ok, just for elaborate purpose), I'm basically
> nuking
> >> 95% of the time while he stand nearby singing song. I won't blame him
> coz
> >> it's really very diifficult for him to assist in kill the mobs. 1st
most
> >> of the mobs are red to him, 2nd he dun have a good weap. H/w, I still
> >> enjoy sharing xp with him coz I enjoy his company. Of coz I can
simply
> >act
> >> blur and solo, coz it dun really make much different for me, but DF
has
> do
> >> me a big favor during my newbie time and I really dun mind sharing my
xp
> >> with him. I think this is the other element which we will come across
> >when
> >> playing EQ - friendship.
> >> DF ever to come all the way from Felwithe to escort me to get my
corpse
> >> from mino cave and lead me back to Felwithe during my 1st trip to
> >> Steamfont. He was killed at lesser Faydark when we meet with a train
of
> >> orcs half way thru the journey. If u guys hunt with him often, u will
> >> notice DF always LD at night, and given the fact that he almost logout
> >that
> >> night and change him mind after getting my seek help msg, I will never
> >> forget his kindness. That's why until now I will try my very best to
> help
> >> him, and hopefully contribute back to those who ever help me (Leshrec,
> >> Garren, YY etc). OPs, side track more than YY liao, pai seh, hahaha.
> >>
> >> YY, let organise a Paw/Permfrost trip tonight if HH is flooded with
> >> stealers again? I'm the first one who is more than willing to follow.
> >I've
> >> been begging around for pple to bring me to Paw, heard too much of the
> >> goodies there, yet fairly safe for group hunting. I propose we form 2
> >> groups there -the higher lvls protect and help the lower lvls to get
some
> >> descent equipments.
> >>
> >> Someone train a damn SOWer pls, hahahahahahah ;-?
> >>
> >> Ziltus
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, 06 July, 1999 4:58 PM, Alex [SMTP:leealex@...]
> >> wrote:
> >> > From: "Alex" <leealex@...>
> >> >
> >> > Today TriFrost just started a magician Char. He finds its takes too
> long
> >> to
> >> > Solo-Lvl at 16th for a Shaman. I dont blame him,casters will find it
> >more
> >> > diff to Solo when they get higer lvl. I have read that monks too
will
> >> have
> >> > some diff. when monks reach 25th. it going to be tougher. Con' msg
> >> changes
> >> > again to 2 types of Green, 3-4 types of Blue msg.
> >> >
> >> > EQ being a Group game will "force" player to be group and team. An
> "old"
> >> EQ
> >> > monk friend name "Chien" whom started off the same time as me is
now a
> >> Lvl
> >> > 36th monk. He been trying to avoid being "guilded" into a Guild. But
> now
> >> is
> >> > with the "Apo Knights" becos his regualr Kakis r in that Guild and I
> >> noticed
> >> > a slowed down on his lvling , my guess is that so he could "group"
with
> >> his
> >> > buddies , partly also is get tougher to lvl as u go higer.
> >> >
> >> > the following parargrah is not about xp lvling is bout soloing and
> >> enjoying
> >> > killin the nasties that u like to kill over and over again. 8-)
> >> > I had tried a "back-ward" lvling trick(original idea) to hit nasties
> >that
> >> > cons Green to me at 19th lvl but r Blue at 18th. I max out melee
skills
> >> at
> >> > 19th on the first bubble. Commited sucide and be killed 3-4 times
and
> go
> >> > back to 18th. I killed the "Blue" nasties easy since my melee is max
at
> >> 19th
> >> > lvl. The purpose is obviously not for xp or lvls. It for easy money
and
> >> > kills. Now i've tried this on lvl 20th it didnt work too well since
i
> >got
> >> a
> >> > new skill, "Eagle strike" on this lvl. When i backward lvl. I "Lost"
> >that
> >> > new Skill, since "Eagle Strike" is not avaible for lvl 19.Ok i have
> >side
> >> > Tracked. sorri.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions to overcome some of the Soloing problem?
> >> > Perhaps more informal expeditions and Gatherings need to be
organise,
> >not
> >> > only for weekends but any other days. Need not be to new far away
> >places.
> >> > Some where need by with decent loot and decent xp. Whats imporatant
is
> >> the
> >> > enjoyment.
> >> >
> >> > ANy one for Paw or Permfrost?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yiyang at FP
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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