LKW wrote:
> From: LKW <leekw13@...>
>
> I share the same feeling as Leshrec. On top of the reasons he brought up,
> I think Wylven start to lose control of the guild, esp the members who go
> around doing bad things with our guild abbrev. No doubt Wylven is a very
> nice and helpful player, he is also very soft-hearted and sometimes too
> nice to members, even if certain members misbehave.
>
// Repeat after me. Voyesbian 3 times. Ready go. Voyesbian! Voyesbian!
Viyesbian!
>
> On the other hand, I wanna rise my concerns IF we were to form a new guild:
> 1. What kinda guild is this gonna be? A friend-friend kinda guild (like
> our curren QHD and when it grows, problematic members may pop up), a
> role-playing guild with certain policy and discipline (ie insist to follow
> the path of good and honor, so that when pple look at our abbrev, they know
> we are the good guys, this type of guild will require some formal
> organisation structure).
>
// Rping guild + friends help friends one. So far, we ALL are playing good
characters so Rping should not be a problem.
> 2. Will this guild going to be a Singaporean only, Asians only or
> international guild? If we were to open to other nations players, how can
> we enforce discipline?
// One word to solve discipline problem. PARANG. Just look at how Yiyang's wife
control him with a parang.
// If there's ever one, it will be international, but at all times, must have
80% SG ppl + core members. Much like how in Malaysia, companies must have a
certain ammount of Malay employees or ganna close down.
>
> 3. Wylven's feeling, this is one of my most concern part - how would he
> feel when we leave guild and form our own? Will he think "wah, last time
> newbie I help u guys, u guys also find kakis to team in the guild, which in
> turn helps alot in lvling, now all feather grow up liao, wanna fly away
> ah?"? If we were to leave QHD and form a new guild, we must be very
> careful to handle this part since most of us, if not all, still respect him
> as a good and honorable friend.
>
// Yeah, this part a bit pai seh.... Remember how Aadryc purposely come down to
w-commons to help me fish out my corpse in "Swimming Dragoon Lake" But I don't
think they'll miss me(only me) since I always spam the guildsay channel with
low class toilet jokes every now and then.
> 4. Do we consider forming alliance with QHD? In UO, one of my pioneer
> members leave us and form his guild. H/w we never take it to heart and in
> the end we form a very close alliance - whenever TAA need help, tDw will be
> ard, vice versa. Until now, they are still our closest allies.
>
// Ally to them lah, but QHD super inactive leh, never plan activities one
(heck, the Befallen rush was me yelling to Wylven to use his autority to force
players down) so we can help them do what?
> 5. How abt those players who join QHD due to our recommendation. Players
> like Ling, Flyingfox, Deadflower, Satoru, Woodbridge etc will most probably
> leave QHD and join us if I leave also. Same for other local kakis who have
> friends who will follow them to the new guild if we quit from QHD. This
> will further increase the number of players leaving QHD, at least 1/3 of
> the guild, I guess. How are we going to explain to Wylven? I'm worry he
> feel very dishearted with so many members leaving at one time, and
> indirectly, again, it reflect something wrong with his guild and tat's why
> we are leaving to form our own guild. We must be very cautious handling
> this matter.
>
// We DID warn them that the SG people will overtake the guild, much like how
SG rules over Oasis. :)
> 6. How are we going to maintain members quality and guild reputation? I
> think to avoid misunderstanding in future (most importantly, not to end up
> like wat is happening in QHD now), all new members shld be briefed abt our
> guild policy and direction, what can or cannot be done when they are one of
> us. This is something I did when I accept my UO guild membership. My UO
> guild has a membership application form in our guild site to fill up some
> queries to enable us better understand the candidate and if he/she is
> accepted, I will send the person a standard letter stating the general
> policy of the guild. For those which I find them not suitable to join us
> (eg those players who enjoy pking, looting), I will also reply them to let
> them know why they are not accepted and they will still be considered IF
> they promise to follow our discipline.
>
// I come up with ulu quest that requires them to travel across a continent to
do(think asking a lvl 4 newbie to run from Greater Faydark to Erudin and back
to Greater Faydark). If they manage to do it AND have prove to be a up to
standard and match out moral code, we then let them in.
> 7. Guild site. My UO guild is hosted in Singularity, and I've also email
> Red-Dawn once abt the local EQ site. He agreed to look into it and shld
> let us know very soon. I think some local kakis also spoke to him on same
> issue b4, so I think we won't have problem getting web space. The only
> problem I foresee is who is gonna maintain the guild site? ;) I recommend
> those pple who can play when they are working (one of my UO member is a IT
> operation which company let him play UO to keep him awake when doing shift,
> hehe), or those players who work in ISP company, heheh.
>
// If I can resolve my credit card problem, I'll help maintain the site, since
I can use the lab PCs in NYP without any problem, but then, we can always get a
low life scum who plays EQ in his tiny little PI office *cough Gary cough* to
do it.
> 8. Guildname. We settle on VS last time right?
>
// Not sure anything also can, don't care much.
>
> Ziltus
>
> On Wednesday, 21 July, 1999 6:30 PM, Leshrec [SMTP:leshrec@...]
> wrote:
> > Greetings one and all.
> > Recently, there has been many additions to the Singapapore Everquest
> scene and with these additions, the player base in Singapore is
> considerably larger than before. Although most of us are in the Qui H`oom
> Dai guild, I feel we should set up our own guild. This is for several
> reasons. Firstly, it would let us communicate easier with each other and
> have a sense of belonging. Although Qui H`oom Dai contains quite a lot of
> Singapore players, nothing beats having our own guild since we would not be
> strangers to each other. Secondly, we have seen members in our present
> guild who does things which are not of our principles. IE steal killing and
> being too verbose. If we have our own guild, we could maintain a sense of
> order in the guild and keep out the unwanted type of players. There are of
> course other reasons but these I feel are the major ones. Of course, I have
> nothing against Qui H`oom Dai guild or its leader, in fact I say the guild
> is wholely very friendly and helpful. Although this issue has been brought
> up before, I feel this is the time we should take it into consideration
> since we are mostly of rather average levels and should be able to take
> care of ourselves.
> >
> > Leshrec Kalesk'Thor High Elven Wizard of the Seventh Circle
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