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Message ID: 1678
Date: Thu Jul 22 04:17:09 BST 1999
Author: refplace
Subject: Re: about the new enchant items (long rant)


I still see magic jewerly made by nonenchanters on Fenin Ro.
Typically Guild mates with an Enchanter in the Guild but not always.
As to getting nerfed it might happen but the key to remeber and keep it from
happening is this.
Enchanters make the stuff but others use it better. Thus we become better
buffers and outfiters.
It is not as likely to raise a stink as if we could do it all ourselves.
However I do beelive the number of Mule Enchanters will grow as people look
for cheaper items and think they can do it all easier then simply paying an
Enchanter to do it.
Stonedreamer

-----Original Message-----
From: XIII <dlepriol@...>
To: eqenchanters@onelist.com <eqenchanters@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [eqenchanters] about the new enchant items (long rant)


>From: XIII <dlepriol@...>
>
>
> The problem I foresee is not us becoming overkillers, that never was
>and never will be. But twinking is a very likely possibility. Picture a 20+
>enchanter who group temporarily with a 8-10 tank enchant his stuff and let
>him loose against wisps or whatever. This would be moreso true in the race
>war server, where enchanters are already 1st in the most wanted to be
>played poll. The point wasn't did we deserve it or not, but if we become
>the most popular mage-type after this is put in play (assuming the ability
>is useful not just icing on the cake, which would be demeaning) won't we
>get nerfed in a feeback process?.
>
> Also the first reply stated that there were lots of jewelcrafters who
>were not enchanters. Please tell which is your server for in Karana this is
>totally false. It has been a long while since I saw someone auctionning
>enchanted bars of any kind.
>
>best,
>Ibn
>
>ps : Cogg, what of "Jira"?.
>
>At 17:41 21/07/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>From: "Garett" <osmosis@...>
>>
>>Personally I'd love to be able to enchant items, but I also have to agree
>>that since we've come this close to being balanced with the other classes
>>(that arent fucked up), we might be asking for trouble. I thought of the
>>problem of there being a sudden surge of magical weapons in norrath and
how
>>that could completely flood a possible market quite quickly, but I suppose
>>that could be solved by making enchant : item, ore, weapon very high level
>>spells, and either a lore item/quest item or in a difficult place (or
>>unobvious) place to get it. Then will it make us that much tougher? Well
>>you can certainly imagine there will be a few more people interested in
>>playing enchanters, and personally I think I see enough enchanters now
(I'd
>>like to be the only one really). We'd be in very high demand, but we have
>>gotten that from some other spells like clarity (IMHO our greatest asset
not
>>unlike SoW). Yeas well you can see how scattered my thinking is today so
>>I'm shuttin up. You can pick that apart.
>>
>>Cogg - Rallos Zek (20)
>>
>>
>>btw, what do you think of the last name Zilla? I think its cheezy myself
>>but many seem to like the idea... any suggestions?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Farr, Robert <robert.farr@...>
>>To: <eqenchanters@onelist.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 7:46 AM
>>Subject: RE: [eqenchanters] about the new enchant items (long rant)
>>
>>
>>> From: "Farr, Robert" <robert.farr@...>
>>>
>>> Giving us the ability to enchant items would not add anything to our
class
>>> to unbalance it vs. other casting classes. It is just a continution of
our
>>> current enchant metals line. It is what our class is about. There are
lots
>>> of jewelcrafters out there that aren't enchanters, just as there will be
a
>>> lot of people who aren't enchanters crafting magic weapons and armor if
we
>>> get the ability to enchant ore in the future. This isn't an 'addition'
to
>>> our class, this is finally delivering what was promised...
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: XIII [SMTP:dlepriol@...]
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 3:18 AM
>>> > To: eqenchanters@onelist.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [eqenchanters] about the new enchant items (long rant)
>>> >
>>> > From: XIII <dlepriol@...>
>>> >
>>> > Party pooper, party pooper. Ok you know the song, this time I fill the
>>> > role
>>> > :).
>>> >
>>> > May I point out that the message said that the code was going to be
>>> > implemented, not that -we- enchanters are going to benefit from it.
>>True,
>>> > it was stated in the book we could do it, but at no time in B4 it was
in
>>> > effect, and, according to EQE, we received other benefits to make up
for
>>> > it.
>>> >
>>> > As I see it, such thing would overbalance us (enchanters) in regard
>>> > of
>>> > other pure spell user classes. So either the benefit will be too small
>>to
>>> > even consider it or too huge and Verant might take out something in
>>return
>>> > to balance our classe again. Don't tell me we're nerfed now. We were,
>>> > true,
>>> > but that was sometime ago and from my point of view we are rather
>>balanced
>>> > regarding other pure spell users. To sum up we have our "niche".
>>> >
>>> > So, the idea is: By talking here, and offering Verant options to
>>> > consider
>>> > we may have a say in the matter and make our class fuller in the
>>way -we-
>>> > see it. What I would like to see discussed here is : What can we give
up
>>> > to
>>> > have a 'proper' enchantment line of spells?. Or are we just to receive
>>> > this
>>> > new ability/spell/line of spells without giving up anything?.
>>> >
>>> > As stated above, I dont think we can't expect a 'useful' line of
>>> > enchantment's spells unless we give up something in exchange. Thinking
>>> > back
>>> > of Beta, there was a line of spells we didn't have but nonetheless
still
>>> > managed to survive and prosper : Pet line of spells. Plus they don't
fit
>>> > enchanters very well . On the other hand, this line form the very core
>>of
>>> > most of our solo strategies so losing it wouldn't be a small thing.
>>> >
>>> > This is just an example, a topic's starter. Feel free to agree,
>>> > disagree
>>> > or tell me to shut up. Once again my aim to to talk things out here
>>first
>>> > and offer something (petition/ EQE/ you name it) constructive to
Verant
>>> > before we see something not implemented or half implemented in place.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Ibnabeth / Karana
>>> > still going up
>>>
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