Just for the fun of it I'm going to explain my stand read or not as you
choose I intend to behave :) points follow,
----- Original Message -----
From: <David.Lynam@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 4:31 PM
Subject: [eqbards] Bards N Plate and people's opinions
> From: David.Lynam@...
>
> >From what I've seen the bards in Everquest are nothing like the "bards"
of
> the celtic tribes as you describe them here. The bards of everquest
travel,
> sing songs, and play instruments. They are in fact travelling musicians,
> which you said the celts were not.
That is infact NOT what I said.. I said that bards where not merely
musicians. That Bards were beings of power and great importants and more
then just a singer of song or player of lute.. there were those too in
celtic life. You might remember one of the Bardsongs never correctly
inplimented in EQ was a lore song to learn the truth of what an item is.
Something monks needed for one of their quests. Bards also have to travel
cities much earlier then anyone else to learn their songs... why would this
be so.. think about it.. So that the bards could trade tales and wisdom
across the lands. Your problem I think is your are already decided what is
and is not, and haven't really left yourself open to the options.
I could handle bards wearing chain in a
> roleplay situation, however, not plate. This is my opinion, and I feel
both
> sides need to be expressed with minimal sarcasm (which is why i
appreciated
> that post, not nearly as much sarcasm). It's understandable that most of
> you want to retain the ability to wear plate, but I fail to see a valid
> argument from a roleplaying point of view for the allowance of plate on
> bards.
As I said in my post I respect the rights of all to go as they choose but
from a role playing perspective based on "history" then there is very little
ground to support the non plate position other then lack of plate in the
historic period. The bard's ability to use magic alone comes form the
celtic stories of Tailsin who drank the sorceress's potion of wisdom and
foretold much of what was to come.. and Amergin's legend of putting an
entire field of warriors to sleep.. Equally both engaged in combat more
then once. Like I said I can respect your characters choice.. but to say
that as a class bards would not use plate armor is like saying a priest has
never raised his hand to defend the faith.
This is not to say that I'll not wear plate, because I'm not THAT
> commited to convictions. -=)
>
> Ka`Lend
>
>
> > From: firehawk@...
> >
> > Okay that's it I've about had it my fellows of song. It's time for a
> > reality check. I roleplay.. the fact that I have a bard since day one
> > release and am only level 13 attests to that. Infact I have on more
> > then one occasion parited with groups above my exp gain level for the
> > sole purpose of helping them and recording their first visit to a new
> land.
> >
> > Unlike many I'm willing to bet I also sing sea chanties on boatrides,
> > make little poems for each of my songs (lyrics) etc. I also game,
> > I have fought wisps till blue in the face (anyone else pissed at the
> nosave
> > now turned burned out lightstone bull?) and have kited,soloed, grouped
> > and twisted with the best of them.
> >
> > I'm tired of seeing this roleplay plate mail talk and quite a few
others,
> > let me give you abit of backround. The EQ bard seems to me best
compared
> to
> > the CELTIC bard. It's important to understand the Celtic bard as
opposed
> to
> > what we have come to call a bard. The religion of the celts being
Druidic
> > was split in several sections with three primary universal among the
> tribes.
> > The preist/mage type the ones we typically see in flowing robes and call
> druid
> > that most RPG's consider. The judge section Gaelic Brehon (sp) who
> administered
> > clan law and succession issues. And the Bard who recorded the histories,
> told
> > the tales, taught the faith, ran the messages, recorded the liniages
etc.
> >
> > The celtic bard was by no means some weak pansy musician, nor a figure
to
> take
> > lightly. The bard seldome directly fought in wars but was certainly
often
> well
> > trained in arms and would often run into situations in his travels where
> fightin
> > was needed. In the period Plate was not an option and so from a
> historical point, the bard would not have worn plate, however the Celts
did
> invent chain
> > and that being the strongest of the time would have worn that if they
> could
> > access it (bards of the stonger clans) so there is no reason to say they
> would reject plate.
>
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