Kind've like how the whole argument of letting PKs cast non-offensive spells onto nonPKs is meaninglessly mixing the two types of playing?
Either you're playing the game PK, or you're not. Its simple. Deal with it.
> ----------
> From: John Cuyle[SMTP:johncuyle@...]
> Reply To: eq_wizards@onelist.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:52 PM
> To: eq_wizards@onelist.com
> Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
>
> From: "John Cuyle" <johncuyle@...>
>
> Of course a non PK could cast on someone while they are dueling as well,
> making your argument pretty much meaningless.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: McCartney, Michael R <Michael.McCartney2@...>
> To: <eq_wizards@onelist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:05 PM
> Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
>
>
> > From: "McCartney, Michael R" <Michael.McCartney2@...>
> >
> > I agree. PK's should not be able to cast ANY spells on nonPKs. The
> reason is.. if you've got a friend who is a PK.. and you are dueling a
> non-PK person... the PK person could heal you.. because he isn't afraid of
> turning PK.. he already is one. Yet the other person would get no heals.
> Not fair. The PK switch is there to seperate the different societies. PK's
> have their server that they can play on. There is no reason to try to blend
> with nonPK's..
> >
> > Drev
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Ken Lee[SMTP:kenlee@...]
> > > Reply To: eq_wizards@onelist.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 11:28 AM
> > > To: eq_wizards@onelist.com
> > > Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
> > >
> > > From: "Ken Lee" <kenlee@...>
> > >
> > > That's another annoying problem. I was running with a monk that
> became
> > > pk (I'll use pk and nonpk because it's less confusing to me) and the
> cleric
> > > in the party wouldn't help him at all. He even said, don't heal me,
> don't
> > > buff me or you'll become pk. Very cool of him.
> > >
> > > As to the looting issue, that's absurd. (In your favor) NO ONE
> should be
> > > able to loot your body unless they personally killed you. Another point
> for
> > > you, and that's something that I think they need to address. I didn't
> know
> > > that just anyone could pick stuff off your body. As a matter of fact,
> I'd
> > > make looting a pk body that you didn't kill turn you pk. That'd be more
> > > reasonable I think. Believe me, no one's picking on you, maybe taking
> the
> > > easy way out, but not singling out pk players.
> > >
> > > As to coding the changes. It's more than likely that it's easier to make
> > > them not be able to cast anything on you instead of being selective. As
> a
> > > matter of fact I KNOW it'd be easier that way. It's like having 1 switch
> to
> > > turn on all the lights in your house, or running around and turning some
> on
> > > and some off.
> > >
> > > All in all though, I think that for the moment, it'd be better to just
> enjoy
> > > the game as is for the moment, and work towards what changes you'd like.
> > > There's a fdback button there, use it and have all the pk players you
> know
> > > use it as well. Good to hear the comments though.
> > >
> > > Zalbar
> > > 14th Wizard
> > > Solusek Ro
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Cuyle <johncuyle@...>
> > > To: eq_wizards@onelist.com <eq_wizards@onelist.com>
> > > Date: 22 avril, 1999 14:10
> > > Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Cuyle" <johncuyle@...>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Ken Lee <kenlee@...>
> > > >To: <eq_wizards@onelist.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:24 AM
> > > >Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: "Ken Lee" <kenlee@...>
> > > >>
> > > >> Whoa. Hold on there, Iggie didn't say YOU, he said that there are
> a
> > > >lot
> > > >> of +pvp players that are jerks. There are also a ton of -pvp players>
> that
> > > >> are jerks as well. I'll tell you about Elyas the loser Paladin on
> Solusek
> > > >Ro
> > > >> sometime.
> > > >
> > > >He didn't say anyone was a jerk. He said we weren't important enough
> to
> > > fix
> > > >+PvP specific problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Enabling +pvp or -pvp is a choice you make, and because Verant has
> > > >> decided to offer you this choice, it is also up to them to protect
> > > players
> > > >> that don't share a +pvp view. They've given you 'free zones' where
> > > >even -pvp
> > > >> players are fair game, they've given you an entire +pvp server. I
> don't
> > > >see
> > > >> what more they can offer?
> > > >
> > > >Fix the PvP specific bugs. I don't care about PvP specific zones. I
> play
> > > >my wizard on zek where this specific issue isn't a concern to me since
> > > there
> > > >are no -PvP players to worry about. I'm just saying this continued
> > > attitude
> > > >toward +PvP is totally unwarranted. What did we do to everyone else?
> > > >
> > > >Are thee bugs, yes that's true, but I think that
> > > >> fixing global bugs that affect everyone will be more of a priority
> than
> > > >bugs
> > > >> that affect a single class.
> > > >
> > > >The bug I am concerned with is a global bug. It affects people of any>
> > > class
> > > >on all servers. It just hurts +PvP a lot more. But the bug is still
> > > there.
> > > >
> > > > So you have restrictions that I do not have as
> > > >> a -pvp wizard. It was your choice, so live with it. Learn to get
> around
> > > >it,
> > > >> and I'm sure that you'll have a much better experience for it.
> > > >
> > > >Huh? What are you talking about?
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> You also have to remember that it's THEIR world you're in, so
> you
> > > >have
> > > >> to conform to them, they don't have to conform to you, even though a
> lot
> > > >of
> > > >> player suggestions have been implemented. I'm still waiting for a
> patch
> > > >that
> > > >> will save the choice of how I view servers. Why would anyone want to
> view
> > > >by
> > > >> number of players once you've created and levelled your characters is
> a
> > > >> mystery to me. : )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >No kidding. That's kinda annoying.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Try and remember that there's nothing that they've done is to be
> > > >> intentionally harmful to the -pvp class, but given a choice the
> majority
> > > >has
> > > >> to rule, and that majority is -pvp. Their priorities concerning +pvp
> will
> > > >> always come first.
> > > >
> > > >Um, you are wrong. Their priority is -PvP. This should be pretty
> obvious
> > > >if you have played the game at all. -PvP has no real problems (I play
> > > >a -PvP ranger on the Rathe). +PvP still has a couple HUGE, game
> balance
> > > >destroying issues that would be pretty simple to fix. From what I read
> > > >about the testing on the test server, it looks like they may finally
> have
> > > >addressed the issue as the looting for +PvP is supposed to have
> changed.
> > > To
> > > >give you a brief rundown of the current problem, you are a lvl 35
> (insert
> > > >any class here) player. You accidentally have autoattack on or are
> playing
> > > >song of discord or aoe a critter that is standing near a guard at one
> of
> > > the
> > > >kelethin lifts. The guard kills you. ANY person who comes along can
> loot
> > > >you. Even lvl 1 newbies. Goodbye black robe and no way to get it back
> > > from
> > > >them (four level limit). Obviously this screws up game balance a bit.
> All
> > > >they need to do to fix it is apply the same loot ruels they use for
> MOBs.
> > > >If you didn't kill it, you don't get to loot it.
> > > >
> > > >However, non combat spells you should be able to cast on
> > > >> others. Bind Affinity, O'Keils radiation, Invisibility, great spells,
> and
> > > >> I'm behind you 110% in that you should be able to use them on others.
> I'm
> > > >> sure they'll change it in the future, but how long depends on how>
> hard it
> > > >is
> > > >> to code.
> > > >
> > > >I wouldn't think it would be that hard as most players can already cast
> > > them
> > > >on others, just not +PvP for some reason. +PvP spells would work
> exactly
> > > >as -PvP spells on a -PvP person. There is no difference whatsoever in
> how
> > > >they should behave. if a -PvP can cast it on a -PvP, a +PvP should be
> able
> > > >to. The code is all there, and all works, except they aren't using it.
> > > The
> > > >only sane explanation is they are punishing +PvP for something. BTW,
> if
> > > you
> > > >are +PvP you can forget about -PvP helping you ever. They can't cast
> > > >helpful spells on you without becoming +PvP themselves. Of course, I
> play
> > > >on zek, where the only real concern is the looting issue I just
> mentioned.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Zalbar
> > > >> 14th Wizard
> > > >> Solusek Ro
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: John Cuyle <johncuyle@...>
> > > >> To: eq_wizards@onelist.com <eq_wizards@onelist.com>
> > > >> Date: 22 avril, 1999 12:08
> > > >> Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >From: "John Cuyle" <johncuyle@...>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >There you have it, even players say "screw you, +PvP people. You
> aren't
> > > >> >worthy of a good game experience."
> > > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >From: Iggie/Alyssandra/Jane Pierson <ldyiggie@...>
> > > >> >To: <eq_wizards@onelist.com>
> > > >> >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:27 AM
> > > >> >Subject: [eq_wizards] Re: Digest Number 18
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> From: "Iggie/Alyssandra/Jane Pierson" <ldyiggie@...>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Actually I don't believe it was done to make PVP players harder
> but to
> > > >> >protect
> > > >> >> those who choose not to PVP. I can understand why you say these
> > > things
> > > >> >> make your lives harder tho. However, I have to say that I support
> > > >Verant
> > > >> >on this
> > > >> >> one.. there are just too many jerks out there who give PVP a bad
> name
> > > >> with
> > > >> >> their antics.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Iggie
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:01:49 -0700
> > > >> >> From: "John Cuyle" <johncuyle@...>
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: Our class
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Verant has done a variety of thinks to make +PvP players' lives
> > > harder.
> > > >> >> Loot bug springs instantly to mind<<
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
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