I think you missed my point. I agree we shouldn't put up with it, but the
fact is we do.
There are plenty of other things we can do with our time, but we make a
conscious effort
to decide to buy, play and continue to play this/these games.
>What you are basically saying is that there's
>>nothing we can do about it, software has always had bugs and it's
>relatively ok
>>and usable.
There's plenty we can do, we have the right to not play. We have the right
to play another
game. We have the right to ask for a refund if we feel they in any misled us.
At the end of the day WE CHOOSE to continue to play this game. It's not
Verants fault that
there isn't much competition yet.
>What I am saying is that it is so because of the relatively small market.
There
>is little competition, so developers allow themselves the luxury of
>imperfection.
I have worked in a few software companies in my time, one of my most recent
experiences I spent
3 years working at Netscape. I have yet to meet a developer that "allows
themselves the luxury
of imperfection". I"m not a heavy coder myself but have worked with many
coders in my time and
i can comfortably say 95% of the coders i've seen take so much pride in
their code it's almost
sickening. It's not the coders fault for buggy products, this goes back to
my earlier statement,
WE the consumers DEMAND faster and better and Marketing departments in
Software companies
feed off this frenzy and drive engineering depts. to develop these products
that WE DEMAND
in insane time schedules. Engineers are just the poor slobs that get stuck
with these schedules that
are absolutely un-fulfillable , driven by Marketing who is driven by US.
In software it's all about supply and demand and "First to Market"
>Same with M$ - they have no real competition so they allow themselves to
>release
>crap like Windows
yes and no .. there is plenty of competition, especially more so today than
ever in the OS dept.
you say crap like Windows and everyone hates MS, but we all still run
Windows (ok not all but
most PC users do). We ALLOW MS to stay in business and do this to us. Right
or wrong that's a
fact. We can run all different flavors of Linux, Solaris x86, SOC, BE OS,
Mac OS, Unixes, there are
options out there.
anyhow .. i can go on for days, i'm not saying you're right or wrong i'm
just offering a different point
of view that is very easy to overlook in the heat of anger or dissapointment.
At 04:12 PM 6/14/99 -0300, you wrote:
>From: Sergey Bukhman <sergeyb@...>
>
>
>
>Saleen wrote:
>
>>
>> There is no such thing as bug free software. At least i've never seen any
>> such thing. You live with the fact that
>> your operating system (i'm guessing most of you are running some sort of MS
>> Windows) crashes quite often.
>> We were promised plug-n-play and we got plug-n-pray. Yet we still go out
>> and buy these buggy pieces of software.
>>
>> Why ? because at the end of the day it's usually better than what we
>> currently have and we are willing to put up with
>> the bugs that are in it.
>>
>
>And this should not be tolerated. What you are basically saying is that
there's
>nothing we can do about it, software has always had bugs and it's
relatively ok
>and usable.
>
>What I am saying is that it is so because of the relatively small market.
There
>is little competition, so developers allow themselves the luxury of
>imperfection.
>I mean, what are we gonna do? It's not like there's anything else, right? If
>the
>only people selling bread were selling bad, disgusting bread, we'd still
buy it
>and be happy that at least it doesn't have worms in it.
>
>Same with M$ - they have no real competition so they allow themselves to
>release
>crap like Windows. And same for Verant. There is nothing better than EQ in the
>RPG department, so they can be buggy and people will still play. The
>addictivness
>is in all the RPG's, and it will exist in Asheron's Call as well. But this
time
>there will be competition and less bugs will be allowed.
>
>The adictivness in EQ comes from the socialization and a real sense of
>achievement. When you get to level 30 in computer game then... wow.. you're
>level
>30 and who cares? When you're level 30 in a computer game with hundreds of
>level
>15s around you, well gee, you feel an accomplishment has been made. A
>competitive
>environment is always addictive. Especially when it's pretty much fun.
>
>But it is not Verant's invention and they will not be the only one's to
benefit
>from it. When Asheron's Call comes out and other MPRPGs start popping up,
we'll
>(hopefully) see a vast improvement in quality.
>
>This is rather off topic, so I'll stop it too, as mstokes did. Just remember
>that
>we SHOULDN'T put up with this.
>
>--
>Sergey
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>
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