I think some of the monks, if I am not mistaken, you have seen complaining
were not even in their 20s from what I saw in their emails. Monks and Rogues
are amazing for dealing damage at the higher levels. Where both classes
begin to blossom unfortunately most people stop playing these character
types before they even get there. What are monks good for. Well lets take a
look at this whole pulling thing. To be able to Feign Death pull is a huge
asset not only to a group but to solo fighting. Walking into a room of 5
mobs and pulling out one is an amazing trick. On top of that. I myself spent
levels 30 to where I am now at 47 with only a cleric at my side. Yes I did
group with others but most of my hunting would be just myself and him.
Damage wise. Lets take a look at this. Shooting out 4 attacks every 3 secs
potentially hitting for 50 each time lets average at 35 plus a high kick in
the 90s. Those 4 attacks every 3 secs or just over 2 if you have the black
sash from Lower Guk giving you HASTE. What does this mean. 140 points of
damage every 2 to 3 secs plus a kick every 8 or so putting potential damage
for a 9 sec interval at somewhere between 400 and 600. To me that is pretty
impressive! You can heal yourself every 6 minutes. Making clerics love you
knowing that they don't have to heal you at the first sight of damage.
Please any other Higher level Monks respond to this so the younger guys can
know that it does get better and that we are not as impaired as they think
we are.
Heldenfeld
----- Original Message -----
From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
To: <EQ-Monks@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: [EQ-Monks] Suggested monk improvements
> From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
>
> will do. A question tho... if this is the case, why then do many monks say
> we need more damage dealing ability? Because they are not out-damaging
> everyone in sight? I have no problem with my role in group situations
> changing as my abilities change.. Actually I think they should. I know I
> would get fairly bored if my role from lvl 1-50 was static. It is the
whole
> reason I dumped my lvl 18 warrior. I never saw any change in what would be
> expected of the class. The original post I responded to said most groups
> seek monks for their pulling ability. Well, lets take a look at what the
> other classes are sought after for:
>
> Cleric- healing
> Druid- ok.. bad example, they do alot of things
> Shaman- buffing (and see druid)
> Wiz- blasting
> War- soaking and dealing damage
> Ranger- dealing damage
> Enchanter- debuffing
> rogue- backstabbing
> Mag- ummm never grouped with one so I am not sure.
> Necro- DoT
>
> All classes (except Druid and Shaman) have one thing they are outstanding
> at, and other things they do ok, and some things they just plain stink at.
> Why is it bad to be sought after because we are the best pullers in the
> lands? Should Rogues be upset that the only thing anyone ever expects of
> them is to backstab? The point I am trying rather long-windedly to make is
> that while there are many abilities we do not have, the ones we do have
are
> vital in a group situation, which is how EQ was designed to be played (I
> won't go into the whole solo vs group issue, as I am sure each of us has a
> different opinion). Regardless of what class is played, if you know what
> your strengths and weaknesses are and utilize them accordingly, you will
be
> a sought after party member.
>
> But thanks for the info on the perception and ability change that comes
with
> 30. I look forward to finding yet another facet of the monk class.
>
> Safe travels
>
> Praelor Dileasai
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Red Eyes [SMTP:puckhoog@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 10:01 AM
> > To: EQ-Monks@onelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [EQ-Monks] Suggested monk improvements
> >
> > From: "Red Eyes" <puckhoog@...>
> >
> > Your entire opinion will change once you hit 30th level. You will start
> > outdamaging almost everyone. I am in the high 40s and have outdamaged 3
> > 50th
> > Paladins. We are a great tank AC goes up every level as Defense goes up
> > and
> > we dont have to hunt down all kinds of crap for armor. attacking 4 times
> > in
> > a round and hitting for 30 to 50 points each shot and then kicking for
90+
> > you will pull almost anything off a party member...clerics...in no time.
> > Give it some more time and I think you will see that all this changes.
> >
> > Heldenfeld
> > 47th monk
> > Solusek Ro
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
> > To: <EQ-Monks@onelist.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 4:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [EQ-Monks] Suggested monk improvements
> >
> >
> > > From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
> > >
> > > I for one like the current damage we do. I don't think we should be
> > > out-damaging a warrior swinging a big 2h weapon or dual wielding, and
I
> > > don't want to. They have the ac and the hp to protect them from those
> > 50+
> > > damage blows that would chew us up in very little time. I have always
> > been
> > > of the belief that the monk is NOT a tank. Our armor limitations
prevent
> > us
> > > from acting like one. With one MoB, we are fine as Dodge and Block
will
> > > serve us well, but if we get hit, we get hit HARD. With 2 or more
MoB's,
> > our
> > > Dodge and Block skill will not serve us nearly as well. We are more
like
> > an
> > > animated DoT spell, inflicting a steady amount of damage throughout
the
> > > duration of a fight. Few people can dish out the damage we can yet
> > remain
> > > relatively unmolested. A drawback is it is very difficult to pull a
MoB
> > off
> > > a party member who is in trouble, and perhaps I would enjoy having a
> > Taunt
> > > skill (no I don't think it is built into our special attacks), but I
for
> > one
> > > think the Monk class on the whole is doing just fine.
> > >
> > > Praelor Dileasai
> > > lvl 27 Monk of the Ashen Order
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Felizpunk@... [SMTP:Felizpunk@...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 2:58 AM
> > > > To: EQ-Monks@onelist.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [EQ-Monks] Suggested monk improvements
> > > >
> > > > From: Felizpunk@...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lots of good points brought up in this discussion.
> > > > I agree completely that we should get some kind of stunning attack,
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > our delay should beat most, if not all, weapons. As a very
> > well-equipped
> > > > monk
> > > > at lvl 40, I am routinely outdamaged by Ogre and Troll warriors, to
> > say
> > > > nothing of casters. So, though we have some unique abilities, monks
> > could
> > > > certainly stand some improvement. On my server, monks are sought
> > primarily
> > > > as
> > > > pullers rather than combatants, b/c of Feign pulling...
> > > > But until we get organized, and talk to Verant in some organized
> > manner,
> > > > we
> > > > will get very little...
> > > >
> > > > Catsup Bustardo
> > > > Cazic-Thule
> > > >
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