I can agreed wit u in most part.
Accept for some points which we differs that r personal view. i cannot say
that u r wrong. It just a point where we differ.
There is this element of char role-playing . somehow im more "acceptable" to
Evil char having bad practices than a "Good" char like a Paladin or monk.
well i have seen asshole Monk around.
I agreed wit u and Garren on groups and FFA. I once when into HH pass and
asked if the Groups there (more than 1) are "Splitting" kills. They said
nope. is FFA. All the groups r full or not avaible. so Im solo to go against
them. That I think is VERy FAIR game. that sessions was FFA for all Orcs.
That is COMPETITIONS. i can accept that that kind of attitude and gameplay.
It only like what u have describe when a Tank(me) did enuff damages than a
caster waiting invis or med cast a kill on my 'con THAT is stealin.
You did open up some perceptive for me to consider, from the point of view
as a wiz or a magic caster. I have only played a monk and not any other char
b4. Those views are refreshing and i have to admit, it did some adjustment
to my views of things.
Like UO, good game should have differing Morals views on stuff.That, I
would truly enjoy. Thx u leshrec for your refreshing view.
NOW, Pass me that bloody parang, im gotta chop em' stealin ( i meant REAL
stealin) %$#$#% Thieves and Prositutes.hehehe
Yiyang
Mediating at Rivervale for Humility
(secretly waitin to ambush Kill Nillipuss and Brewin illiegal stuff)
-----Original Message-----
From: Leshrec <
leshrec@...>
To: <
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Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [sg-everquest] Clarification on Stealing
>From: "Leshrec" <leshrec@...>
>
>This is a rather long post. You have been warned =)
>This is that I think of steal killing in Highhold. If a tank or warriors
>starts attacking the mob, then I don't think its wrong to blast it, IF you
>start blasting when hes just started on the mob. This is for a very simple
>reason, if all the mob he attacks is gonna by his, he will get everything,
>especially those in groups, where there are clerics in it. Since there is
>practically no downtime. Anyways, if you start blasting it, the mob will
run
>over to you and attack you, so if anybody else starts shooting at it, they
>are just helping you to get kill. I have seen orc fanatics that have
spawned
>and die in 1 sec after, becos 6-7 casters shoot at it at the same time.
>Usually the player who does the most damage with one spell , usually the
>magician or the wizard would get branded a stealer just because he is a
>loner and has no group. Of course those assholes which are really out to
>steal kill can be seen very obviously, like what ziltus has mentioned,
>waiting for tank to do 20-30% damage before shooting. However, In my
opinion
>if i shoot a mob when you are just starting on it and I kill it after he
>beats on me, although a tank type or some other caster shoots at it, I
don't
>really care if you brand me a kill stealer. If I spend 30% of my mana on a
>mob instead of 80%, its not because I want to, but rather its because other
>caster are trying to blast my mob, so that they can get kill and when they
>don't get it, they get pissed and call you names again. Thats why its very
>important to get a group, since you have your own tankers tanking and you
>nuking. As for named NPC, its FFA but when you do get the kill ppl will
>curse and swear saying they waited 20 hrs for the named NPC. Well, If you
>can't get the kill yourself, get a damn caster who can nuke for you. I'm
>sick of ppl whining cos they can't get kills especially when I shoot at the
>named one and even when he comes to me, the other tanks from other groups
>continue to beat at him and expect to get kill. I myself have always
grouped
>from level 16 to my current level, and there was only once when I tried to
>do solo and do what other wizards did. I must admit xp came in very fast,
at
>a rate of 1 bubble per hr so I could level in a day. But the only group was
>there got pissed and one guy even wanted to duel me, a level 21 ranger. Of
>course I just ignored him and did almost 3 bubbles of xp that day. One
funny
>thing later was how his group ran and zone leaving him alone fighting 2 orc
>scouts. Seeing he was about to lose, I became visible (I am invis when
>medding) and he asked for help. Of course I helped him out, but he still
>called me names later on. However that was the only time I soloed like that
>and of course it was very lonely not to mention getting tells on "Thats not
>very nice. But I don't think you care anyways" Well, hes right on I don't
>care. I once heard of a guy in Nektulos forest saying "If I can train a
>skeleton on you. Then its your problem". If that is one guy attitude, there
>must be many others who have this type of attitude too.THat happened when I
>was in Prexus server playing my necro. I myself have kenna like that, I sit
>on floor medding and suddenly 2 skeletons jump on me. I was like level 6-7
>and that meant instant death. Of course the skeletons were not spawned on
me
>but rather trained on me. Since many people have this type of attitude, I
>don't see why I must care what people say. This is what I think, if a
player
>steals your kills and asks for help later, by all means let him die since
he
>deserves it.
> As for reputation, high level wizards are often invited into groups
more
>often than not. Since you can't make EVERYONE your friend anyways, although
>its always better to have more friends than enemies. I think most people
>don't really care if you have an experience on stealing kill or not. This
is
>so because if you steal kill FROM them they won't like you. But if you
steal
>kill FOR them, they will all praise you and even want to group with you
more
>because they know who can get the xp and who can't. However on Loot
stealing
>I have seen ppl being shunt before because they loot a named NPC and run
>off, ignoring their OWN group members. Loot stealing is absolutely lame, if
>you don't wanna share your loot, DON'T GROUP and DON'T whine if you can't
>get the kill. If you want to steal kill, go make a wizard or magician or
>druid and see how hard it is to get your XP, especially at the lower
levels.
>I have seen a druid which purposely did 50% of damage and let tanks finish
>it off, so that he could get the xp, and he was soloing. Another time at
>gnolls, my friend received tells from another group on how he can't get the
>kill on the named NPC because that guy had a druid friend which he claimed
>could outblast him. So my friend ask me to help him get the kill and we did
>get the named NPC. Of course this resulted in the other group being
>extremely unhappy and cursed at us. However in the end we still got what we
>wanted and the other group with nothing.
> Just my 2cents worth of opinions.
>
>Leshrec Kalesk'Thor, High Elf Wizard of the 6 Sixth Circle.
>Innoruuk Server
>
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