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Message ID: 2332
Date: Wed Sep 8 10:10:39 BST 1999
Author: Gary Qui Hong Loong
Subject: Re: Re: The Journeyman Boots Experience (long - 17 hours)


too lazy muhahah

LKW wrote:
>
> From: LKW <leekw13@...>
>
> Then u better ask PI to subscribe it lor. Last time I search for some UO
> newsgrp $ingnet also dun have. In the end I write in to request k liao.
>
> On Tuesday, 07 September, 1999 6:46 PM, Gary Qui Hong Loong
> [SMTP:kanglun@...] wrote:
> > From: Gary Qui Hong Loong <kanglun@...>
> >
> > yeah can't find. I type in alt.games.everquest can't find leh
> >
> > LKW wrote:
> > >
> > > From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> > >
> > > Wah liew, ya eye kena sticked to stamp ah? I paste in the email liao u
> still cannot find ;)
> > >
> > > Check the 12th line ====> alt.games.everquest
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, 07 September, 1999 6:10 PM, Gary Qui Hong Loong
> [SMTP:kanglun@...] wrote:
> > > > From: Gary Qui Hong Loong <kanglun@...>
> > > >
> > > > what's the name of the newsgroup? can't find leh
> > > >
> > > > LKW wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> > > > >
> > > > > Extraction from the EQ Newsgroup, abt camping. They have pretty
> > > > > interesting points from both sides of the views. If u visit the
> newgrps
> > > > > alt.games.everyquest, take a look at this tread ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sine wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, what your comparing is someone with a career and is working
> all
> > > > > > day vs. someone without a career and doesn't work. While I agree
> that
> > > > > > there may be issues about the wisdom of how one spends their time
> > > > > > (real life OR game time), if you don't respect others then you'll
> be
> > > > > > viewed by the majority as a Jerk(tm). You can't bring your real
> life
> > > > > > "I've got a great career" high-and-mighty attitude into the game
> and
> > > > > > say, "You're camping? Obviously your time is worthless. I'll be
> > > > > > moving to the front of the line now." without having a lot of
> people
> > > > > > make a rude gesture at you. How do you survive waiting in
> traffic?
> > > > >
> > > > > I survive waiting in traffic because traffic runs in an orderly
> > > > > progression that's set up by the laws of our country. For the most
> part,
> > > > > it is a very effective means of transportation and in addition to
> that,
> > > > > I don't really have any other choice. Camping is a player-decided
> > > > > method, that is not enforced or endorsed by Verant. You mentioned
> > > > > "moving to the front of the line." Who is their to say that their's
> a
> > > > > line? A group of players atht decide there is a line. What if I
> don't
> > > > > choose to see a line? Camping for jboots is not a good analogy with
> > > > > traffic, because it's not effective to the majority. Camping and
> the
> > > > > lines are effective for people that have the time and devotion to
> spend
> > > > > 17 hours straight looking for the item. But what about people that
> > > > > don't have that time? I guess they are completely exluded from ever
> > > > > having the chance to own a pair, because they don't choose to
> follow a
> > > > > set of guidelines that players create to take advantage of a
> problem
> > > > > with gameplay. In my perfect EQ world, there would be no camping,
> which
> > > > > is why I despise it in some forms so much. Before I really knew all
> > > > > these unwritten rules, I went to the derv camps in ro once. There
> was a
> > > > > group of 6 there. I sat by and waited and watched as they killed 6
> or 7
> > > > > dervs. I figured they were camping so I let them do it. After their
> 6
> > > > > derv, I saw one spawn near me (it was pretty far away from them),
> and
> > > > > attacked it. Next thing I know the group runs up and starts to lay
> a
> > > > > beating on it. I get the exp, and then proceeded to get cussed out
> by
> > > > > the group for attacking the derv. I had no idea what I had done
> wrong.
> > > > > I hadn't thought I had KSed since I attacked it first and it wasn't
> > > > > anywhere near them, and I figured I wasn't being a hog since I let
> 6
> > > > > dervs spawn for them before I attacked it. It turns out I was in
> the
> > > > > wrong because I hadn't asked for their permission to attack it.
> > > > > According to EQ logic, since they were there first and had a group,
> they
> > > > > "owned" the camp and all it's spawns, and I was being an asshole
> for
> > > > > taking one of their spawns and not asking for permission to have
> it.
> > > > > It's sad whenever i'm in a group and a soloer comes up and says
> "can I
> > > > > have next?" What would they do if we said no? I don't necessarily
> know
> > > > > a solution, but the fact that people think that because verant
> designed
> > > > > it poorly, they have a right to it makes me sick. I solo a lot, and
> it
> > > > > is almost impossible to do that at most camps. So I just go to a
> camp,
> > > > > wait until the other groups have had a sufficent and reasonable
> number
> > > > > of spawns, and then attack one and drag it away out of group range.
> I
> > > > > usually leave after that kill because EQ culture has produced this
> > > > > environment where players feel guilty about taking another player's
> > > > > spawn. I follow this culture for the most part. I NEVER atatck
> > > > > something that another player has already engaged, regardless of
> whether
> > > > > I'm "camping" it or not, and if there appears to be a line for
> > > > > something, I usually blend in with it. But don't ever try to tell
> me
> > > > > that you "own" a kill because you have created a line. You don't
> own
> > > > > anything in the game until it's in your inventory. And although I
> may
> > > > > follow the same general practices of everyone else, I won't buy
> into the
> > > > > concept that players have more right to an item than others.
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're taking a liberal approach (indivual oriented) vs a
> conservative
> > > > > > approach (group oriented). You're only concerned about yourself,
> and
> > > > > > to hell with everyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > > An individual approach is conservative, while a group approach is
> > > > > liberal.
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