I'm talking abt general case. Like my RL friend who just start playing EQ.
KNN I spend so much time giving his stuffs and helping him to go here and
there. Everytime he got killed and cant find corpse, I gotta help him
refill equipment, hehe, until now he more or less settled with a Erudite
wiz ;)
I think general case - help to seek corpse can be done by asking in the
zone, or any one in guild if they r available to do so. But when it come
to problematic situation, there must be someone in the guild who is
"idling" ard and can offer help, esp when we play almost in the same time
frame. Basically I just dun like to see pple abusing such aid. And first
thing 1st, as in many EQ guidelines, it's better to explore a new place
with some kakis. Dun suga suga explore some high lvl dungeon which u dun
even know if u can handle. If u r not sure of the hunting spot, at least
asking in guidesay or in mailing list, or best, check the net. With the
exisitng kakis, most are ard lvl 20, so shldnt have such problem.
In ya case when u fall into Befallen's wall, it shld be ok to seek help
from guild. Definitely someone will be there to help, but dun expect all
to stop everything they r doing to come, esp those who need to take boats
and run 10 zones to reach u ;) If a newbie just suga suga go najena,
hoping to get some good loot by luck, and definitely he cant cope with the
mob, then good luck to him. If someone in guild is available to save him,
good. If not, I will let this newbie die and learn his lesson ;)
We have to set a general guideline and view ah-hoc case by case. If
everytime there is a SOS and all is expected to go rescue, this kinda guild
I also dun wanna join, since been a wiz who is expected to travel easier,
I'm to 'expected' to be the 1st one to turn up for the rescue ;)
There is once a UO guild member's younger bro who play UO and always got
killed in the game, and start icqing all to save him. So much so that in
the end there is one time where no one turn up to help him (not willing or
no one online) and he send a mass icq barking at everyone. All I did is to
reply his icq, f**k him upside down and tell him if he dun apologize to all
and change his manner, I will ban him out of guild.
At the end of the day, it all depend if individual can think maturely. If
any member cannot learn to be independent and too reliance on others, I
will give no face and f**k him upside. ;)
Ziltus
On Wednesday, 18 August, 1999 1:32 PM, Cheng Shan Chieh, Freddy
[SMTP:
sccheng@...] wrote:
> From: "Cheng Shan Chieh, Freddy" <sccheng@...>
>
> my mail already... then your mail even longer.. so i will try not to say
> much this time...
>
> ok... swaping equipments between char is one thing... this one u use SOS
u
> kenna fucked by all... but imagine like me the last time.. dropped into
the
> well of befallen... and no fuckers wanna help... this if SOS sent and no
one
> can be bothered... then i dont see the point of the guild... the guild
shoud
> be about helping each other (esp when u really need it) and hunting
together
> at times... if u wanna swap stuff... thats more of a favor rather than a
> SOS... pls differentiate the 2 things! if u have 2 bloody chars... and 1
is
> high level... then is easy lah... just give consent and let ya other char
> come in n loot lor... but if someone seriously needs help... help should
be
> given... THAST IS WHATS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER GUILD... if u think that
> camping a stupid shield is more impt that this matter... then i give up
on
> this guild liaoz....
>
> ok... the rest i m quite flexible... just this impt point i must
emphasis...
>
> Nicademous of Innoruuk...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> To: <sg-everquest@onelist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [sg-everquest] Abit bout the guild thing.
>
>
> > From: LKW <leekw13@...>
> >
> > Reply as follows.
> >
> > On Tuesday, 17 August, 1999 8:58 AM, Cheng Shan Chieh, Freddy
> > [SMTP:sccheng@...] wrote:
> > > Im glad that finally some stuff are being done about the guild thing
and
> > we are gonna have a guild of our own and no more jerks in the guild. i
> will
> > be quitting my current guild this friday or sat when i get online and
join
> > u guys as soon as i can get. from then, i will not be doing anything
(no
> > more camping since i wasted many fucking hours camping for the jboots
and
> > no gain except for a dagger - better than nothing i guess since the
dagger
> > is said to be more rare) BUT power leveling. I will get to level 30
asap
> or
> > even more and will not be stopping until i am happy with my level. It
> seems
> > to be that when u have the level, camping any shit will be easy and you
> > dont have to rely on anyones help.
> >
> > This is VERY true, once u got the lvl, u can start hunting for stuffs.
> See
> > I'm still wearing my lvl 16 armor mainly? See I undergo the power
> training
> > in Lake Rathetear for the past weeks - I mixed so often with aviak
guards
> > tat pple start calling me birdman, hehe.
> >
> > > some stuff bout the guild charter.
> > > 1. when a SOS (not to be abused) is being sent (e.g., such that a
person
> > died in a terrible spot and impossible to get back, then everyone is
> online
> > and is capable MUST BE there to help irregardless of what dman thing u
r
> > doing).
> >
> > I hate to say this but i think the SOS WILL be abused. No way to
avoid.
> > See too many abused case in UO and it will be the same in EQ (from the
> > newbies' shouts every now and then). I'm totally against such SOS
rescue
> > where everyone online has to help regardless what u r doing. Imagine I
can
> > get up to 10 msg asking for party gate within 30 min I login (some even
> > tell me "ah finally wait till u login", LOL), no way I gonna response
to
> > every SOS msg. One of the most hated msg I get from UO is some newbie
> > members SOS msg tat pop up on my screen every now and then. This is
esp
> > worse in EQ when traveling is time-consuming, even with teleport spell
we
> > also need time to run and find the corpse. In UO, once I noticed any
> > member abusing this aid, I will let other veteran members know so as to
> let
> > them stay in dungeon as a ghost or learn to walk back to town and get
> > resurrection ;)
> >
> > I personally proposed those within the zone offer their help if only
they
> > can help (eg was buying, selling or solo random hunting). Imagine if I
> > kill 24 orc trainer (5-6 hr waiting) in a row and I know SBS will spawn
in
> > the next 2-3 spawn, I would think it will be better for the member to
> spend
> > 5-30 min searching his corpse instead. Sometime it is more practice
and
> > effective to seek help from the zone rather than waiting for own member
to
> > do it. Eg 2 nights ago, I need someone to help in transferring stuffs
> from
> > Zil to my new char, I start with guildsay, no response. I msg few
kakis,
> > some no response, some response saying they r few zones away hunting, I
> > also didnt expect them to run all the way to help me, coz I think it's
> > kinda impractical for them to do so. In the end when I was abt to find
a
> > quiet place drop the item and login my new char to get it, I got msg
from
> > FF who is coming to GF for some camping and offer his help. I'm not
> trying
> > to blame anyone but in such situation, I think it's perfectly alright
to
> > solve the problem by myself, in the sense of efficiency and
effectiveness.
> > We all start as a newbie w/o helps, we learn thing the hard way. As
in
> > UO, every hunting trips as a newbie, I walk with my kakis from town to
> > dungeon, back to town b4 the last save. When we all reach tank-mage
stage
> > and we start helping newbie members to mark rune, to gate them here and
> > there. So much so tat in the end they dun even know how to walk from
> > dungeon to town if they get killed as a lvl 8 caster and no member
online
> > ;) Just to share my personal experience.
> >
> > > 2. i also suggest someone to be in-charge of hunts and stuff (one of
the
> > officers, thats i propose Ziltus and one other person).
> >
> > Sorry, gotta turn down this job abt hunting and stuffs. I dun mind
doing
> > some recruiting job, PROVIDED I am available to do the recruiting,
since
> > wiz has the advantage of travelling spells. H/w, UO event organiser is
> > enuff for me. During my time as a GM, I hold more events than the
total
> > events organised by the rest of the guild. Now for EQ, I dun mind
doing
> > part-time, esp during this transition period when QHD dun have much
> > activities, but I guess I wont wanna be the official person in charge,
> heh,
> > thx for the nomination tho' ;)
> >
> > > 3. As for banking and equipment, i propsed those 2 person, instead of
> > using their banks, get them to create a char just for the purpose of
> > banking. So it will be easier for them to keep track of money and stuff
> and
> > those money is not to be abused. We can have a store of items and LOAN
> them
> > to members in the guild (e.g., RTS and other stuff), when these members
> are
> > capable of geting one, they will return it or pass it to another member
> > requiring it.
> >
> > Loaning items is abit difficult in EQ, due to:
> > - Not easy to meet to borrow and return stuffs.
> > - Loading a char in EQ can be quite time consuming, unlike UO. So if
the
> > person in charge need to logout and relogin the storeman char, it will
> post
> > some kinda inconveniences for the player. Due to the limited items
slot
> in
> > EQ (unlike UO where only wt limit), it's not easy to keep stuffs too,
esp
> > lore item like RTS, u can only keep 1 per char. I think it will be
more
> > effective for higher lvl to help lower lvl to get some cool items once
in
> a
> > while, and provided the lower lvl can physically participate the
hunting
> > (and not turning it to a corpse looting session). Of coz, for those
lower
> > lvl, dun expect to get something more than 5 lvls than u la. If a lvl
1
> > wanna get JBoot, I think even if u got a lvl 50 wiz with u, it's also
> > difficult for him to even bring u to see Najena.
> >
> > > NOTE: i have a slightly crazy idea bout something. Instead of
creating
> > one guild, we will form 2 guilds. one for lower levels, one higher. All
> our
> > low level chars will form one and high level another. maybe level 1-20
one
> > guild, 20 upwards another (or maybe even make it level 30). This way,
we
> > can recruit newbies and train them the way of our guild. if our guild
is
> > active all the time and is nice to all of the folks, i dont believe
there
> > is any reason for them to quit the guild. That will continue to point
4.
> >
> > Hmm, pardon me, I dun see the need to create 2 guilds, since we dun
have
> to
> > start a warfare sub-division like in UO for guild war (to protect those
> > non-war chars). Actually it shld be alright to have all lvl in the
guild.
> > Plus the fact tat with our own kakis, we dun have to hide where we r
> > hunting. As long as u got the lvl requirement for hunt, u are most
> welcome
> > to join us (which mean we must have strict recruitment to get only
those
> > trust-worthy and loyal kakis la).
> >
> > > 4. We will help lower levels folks to break spwan and stuff BUT it
> doesnt
> > mean helping them to kill all the stuff and let them loot for many many
> > hours. Crap stuff like RTS i say it doesnt hurt to let most members
have,
> > BUT if we are talking bout FBRs or more useful items as we gain more
> power,
> > then that we must state a certain level or unless they can get it
> > themselves (usually this is a few levels b4 they can get it
themselves).
> >
> > Tat's why I organise the RTS hunt and limit the hunt to those above lvl
12
> > ;) Problem is, in order to prevent camping, EQ is patched anti-camp.
> > During the last trip, we camp for 2 hrs or so (?) and not even a RTS
or
> > skull. YY mentioned webclaw spaw at 10 min interval, which sound very
> > tempting for me to get it, hehe. Kellendil also got a WCS liao, maybe
u
> > can share with us how u got it (how u kill it, melee, nuke or wat),
where
> > (which part of Lake)?
> >
> > > 5. i have also by chance came to talk to the guildmaster of Disciples
of
> > Discord. All members are red (PvP). So if any members decided to be
funny
> > with the guild or spoil the reputation of the guild then they will be
> > hunted down for the rest of their fucking EQ lives That i believe is
> > somewhat good protection, but it requires members to be PvP and
ourselves
> > to be also which is a bad thing or good thing. IF ANY MEMBERS CREATE
> > TROUBLE FOR THE GUILD, THEY ARE BANNED FROM THE GUILD. NOT REMOVED.so
they
> > wont have their other chars pretend and join our guild again and get to
> > cheat the guild and stuff.
> >
> > My stand is to remain non-PvP, even until I reach lvl 50 ;) Personally
I
> > dun really enjoy PvP all time, but some duels here and there shld be ok
;)
> >
> > > 6. we certainly dont want war with other guilds. if we dont steal
kills
> > and stuff i dont forsee a guildwar happening.
> >
> > Too many stealers in EQ, and so far I havent heard any war starts due
to
> > kill stealing.
> >
> > > 7. Make it unique, maybe someone that wants to be officer or elder or
> > watever u call that, he must be highly nominated by 2/3 of the elder/
> > officer council OR he can gain it by challenging one to a duel and WIN
IT.
> > =) some pvp action. if the guild gets large enough, we can have some
sort
> > of arena fights n stuff.
> >
> > Hmm, lvls or PvP capablity shldnt be the factor used to determine
officer
> > post. No use asking a lvl 50 wiz who win the duel for the position, go
> ard
> > making havoc and spoil guild reputation until we dismiss him - damange
> > already done to our reputation. Instead, leadership, commitment,
loyalty
> > and contribution shld be looked into when determining the officer
> > candidates.
> >
> > > 8. ok i said enough, now bloody feedback for all i have said...
> > > p/s: cant imagine i went on a camping trip and gain one level =) and
> also
> > found some true friends and jerks...
> >
> > Just like tax and death in RL, you see friends and jerks everywhere in
EQ
> > ;)
> >
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