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<b>Message ID:</b> 2424 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Thu Mar  7 11:10:17 GMT 2002 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> alexander.jones@foreningssparbanken.se <br/>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EverQuest] Legends <br/>
<br/><br/>
<div id="ygrps-yiv-1364322978">Well, I dont trust Verant enough to believe that statement.<br/>
<br/>
As a company working to get as much profit as possible you dont keep a<br/>
massive amount of people not doing anything so you can assign them to<br/>
projects that may or may not happen. So VI in this case had to hire people<br/>
to work with the Stormhammer project. And since its an ambitious project<br/>
working with premium customers and making changes in existing codebase this<br/>
is my assumption:<br/>
<br/>
You hire new people. New people have to be trained. This means that the old<br/>
people cannot be as productive as they were during the training of the new<br/>
ones. So when designing new content and features for legends, either <br/>
<br/>
a) the new people have to talk with the old people thus making progress with<br/>
old bugs/features/problems slowdown, or <br/>
<br/>
b) the old people move to the stormhammer project speeding that project up<br/>
while the new people work with the old servers but at a much slower pace<br/>
since they have to learn things first. (and slowing Stormhammer down)<br/>
<br/>
I cant see any other way of training people. The costs for this should be<br/>
taken by VI (some by the stormhammer project) and none by the old servers.<br/>
But thats not the case (assumption). So all in all , for me its the TIMING<br/>
that sucks, fix the problems first, do new stuff later. This is affecting<br/>
things it shouldnt affect.<br/>
<br/>
Thats why I dont like this project, it has nothing to do with content,<br/>
service or any other yada yada. If it would be about that I would either<br/>
move to Stormhammer or simply play another game. But I still like my guild<br/>
and the game called Everquest.<br/>
<br/>
And yeah, your prolly right about the coffee breaks ;-)<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
-----Original Message-----<br/>
From: LAINE. Mikael (Nol) [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:laine@...">laine@...</a>]<br/>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:28 AM<br/>
To: &#39;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a>&#39;<br/>
Subject: SV: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
I&#39;m not saying that they shouldn&#39;t fix what&#39;s broken. I&#39;m saying don&#39;t use<br/>
my extra $30/month to fix what i already pay $10 for. If you listen to VI<br/>
they claim that non of the non legend servers should suffer anything from<br/>
the legend project. If that&#39;s true, nor you nor i can claim it is true or<br/>
not, then there&#39;s nothing to whine about. They will continue to fix shit<br/>
like they&#39;ve done before (yeah right, we all know they are on a 8 hour coffe<br/>
brake during workdays).<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----<br/>
Från: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexander.jones@...">alexander.jones@...</a><br/>
[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexander.jones@...">alexander.jones@...</a>]<br/>
Skickat: den 7 mars 2002 10:32<br/>
Till: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>
Ämne: RE: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
I dont agree at all.<br/>
<br/>
The product is broken, handle the broken stuff first. Your extra $30 should<br/>
go to paying the extra 18 people (there are 19 fulltimers on Stormhammer)<br/>
and 1 on each of the other live.<br/>
<br/>
Lets say a car company releases a new model. Customers buy the model looking<br/>
at the specifications. After buying it shows up some stuff is broken. Then<br/>
sure as hell that company isnt gonna release a convertible model until<br/>
faults are fixed. <br/>
<br/>
If the live servers werent there there would be no Stormhammer, dont you get<br/>
that? I have no problem with the specs of stormhammer its how Verant is<br/>
executing it thats the problem. And lets say my money isnt a factor deciding<br/>
which server i play on, thats a cheesy argument.<br/>
<br/>
Tigole got a few good remarks if you ever read what Legacy of Steel says.<br/>
<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://legacyofsteel.net">http://legacyofsteel.net</a> and read the february27 info.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
-----Original Message-----<br/>
From: LAINE. Mikael (Nol) [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:laine@...">laine@...</a>]<br/>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:46 AM<br/>
To: &#39;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a>&#39;<br/>
Subject: SV: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Part of the money goes to developing new stuff that is legend only as well.<br/>
My extra $30 bux should&#39;nt go to fixing stuff that should be fixed anyways,<br/>
my extra $30 should go to making my server better, not anyone elses.. If you<br/>
can&#39;t afford or want to move to legend then i&#39;m sorry, but it&#39;s a bit<br/>
pathetic to whine cause some people belive it&#39;s worth paying extra for extra<br/>
content and a better server.<br/>
<br/>
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----<br/>
Från: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexander.jones@...">alexander.jones@...</a><br/>
[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexander.jones@...">alexander.jones@...</a>]<br/>
Skickat: den 7 mars 2002 09:30<br/>
Till: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>
Ämne: RE: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
In theory this sounds good. But the way Verant is executing things it isnt.<br/>
I can understand the extra cost in personnel, that should be the factor that<br/>
decides price. BUT:<br/>
<br/>
Extra zones for example without delivering the stuff promised in SoL<br/>
expansion makes me wanna laugh. Even if the developers are on different<br/>
teams, thats not valid. If things are broken, things are broken, whole<br/>
company needs to fix things. For example Bazaar.<br/>
<br/>
Also, the cash the legend server generates in comparison to the live server<br/>
is very small. (200.000 users a&#39; $10, and 8000 users a&#39; $40 ) do the math.<br/>
If people for example start to leave live servers the legends cash isnt<br/>
enough to continue to develop Everquest. So: <br/>
<br/>
Legends price should be personnel related not zones. Dynamic (gm involved)<br/>
quests sure, but zone development/fixes are for the game asa whole. Verant<br/>
is on thin ice with this.<br/>
<br/>
Handle the stuff promised with Luclin first dont give some mumbo jumbo about<br/>
different teams. If you cant handle it with current personnel, hire more,<br/>
work more, whatever. Solve it.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
-----Original Message-----<br/>
From: LAINE. Mikael (Nol) [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:laine@...">laine@...</a>]<br/>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:15 AM<br/>
To: &#39;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a>&#39;<br/>
Subject: SV: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Wrong. Please read up before you spread your farts =P<br/>
<br/>
The regular servers will be updated as usual, the legend servers will<br/>
receive legend specific content that MAY be moved to normal servers after<br/>
awhile. They have hired extra staff (among 19 GMs, there hsould be gms<br/>
working 24/7 they say) that will ONLY be working with legend so that it<br/>
doesn&#39;t affect the normal servers.<br/>
<br/>
I&#39;ve not been online much due to overloaded at work but it seems fun, alot<br/>
of nice events and good guilds. It&#39;s kinda easy to join a high-end guild<br/>
since about 80% of the server is level 60.<br/>
<br/>
It all looks very good so far.<br/>
<br/>
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----<br/>
Från: Richard Skelton [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:richards@...">richards@...</a>]<br/>
Skickat: den 6 mars 2002 16:33<br/>
Till: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>
Ämne: RE: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Legend is $40 a month.  ALL new content in Everquest will go into Legend<br/>
first, and normal servers will suffer because of it, only getting new<br/>
updates as they filter out from Legend.  The new content and improvements<br/>
will obviously come through to regular servers slower than in the past, in<br/>
order for Verant to justify the high subscription to Legend and keep those<br/>
few elite and rich players interested.<br/>
<br/>
You might gather I dont subscribe to the Legend server :)<br/>
<br/>
Rykk Bloodfang<br/>
52 Monk<br/>
<br/>
-----Original Message-----<br/>
From: mlockridge01 [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:MLockridge01@...">MLockridge01@...</a>]<br/>
Sent: 06 March 2002 15:28<br/>
To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:EverQuest@yahoogroups.com">EverQuest@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>
Subject: [EverQuest] Legends<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Anyone doing the new Legends thing? Looks cool, but the existing game <br/>
is still enough for me. How much more are they asking for Legends <br/>
access? I never saw a price.<br/>
<br/>
Barto Proudfoot<br/>
Zeb server<br/>
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