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Message ID: 3366 
Date: Tue Jul 13 12:00:59 BST 1999 
Author: Kevikazzam@xxx.xxx 
Subject: A rant - but bard related - for the most part 
Hello all , 
	Its been a while since i've posted on this list , but i'll just jump 
right in.
	
1) I feel that dark elves should have the bard class open to them.  The evil 
races in themselves are very limited in the classes allowed to them. I mean 
whats really the big difference between ogres and trolls. yes they look 
different , and yes they have different cultures and starting locations,  but 
what really seperates them from each other? what makes an ogre stand out from 
a troll ? nothing when it comes deep down to it.  Dark elves have more 
classes open to them , but it still doesn't measure up to non evil races. 
This is going to be a big thing on the upcoming race war server. 
	Now , why should dark elfs be bards. They are intelligent , civilized 
( evil but civilized) , and have a rich history. so they may sing evil songs 
, or chant drums to evil ceremonies. big deal, doesn't take away from the 
fact that it is song , and it is history. Now why should dark elfs be allowed 
to be bards and not other races. Ok here goes Ogres- uncivilized and stupid , 
same as trolls. Gnomes , they're all into their gadgets and don' seem to 
impressed with song.  Barbarians and haflings - earthy barbarians i wouldn't 
exactly called civilized , their brains are bigger and their bodies are 
smaller than trolls. but they still live in cold shacks in the ice and aren't 
that smart.  For them its pretty much the stronger you are the better. 
halflings seem like a racethat is in touch with nature, , to be honest they 
just don't strike me as a race that would want to have bards. they seem more 
like a race that is in touch with their surroundings ( nature , animals) than 
they are with music and keeping history. Dwarves are all about work much like 
gnomes, they are a rugged gruff race. and heck they already have a bunch of 
classes open to them. ( struggling a bit there )  In any case i'm interested 
in seeing what others think of this , thats many why i posted it , so feel 
free to disagree , and post it :)
	Also , i can't seem to find an effective way to twist bellow with 
others songs. i've been trying to twist with heal or chords.  but i know in 
the time i take to twist i could have already casted bellow twice. least 
thats what it seems like. 
	And as far as bards having the ability to be bound anywhere. I agree 
that it should be something like that. personally i feel most if not all 
ahould be allowed to too. Of course if this was implemented i would it put in 
a certain way. This is my possible solutions . 1 - put in more specific spots 
that people can be bound at. not just the entrance to a dungeon or a city. 
but a certain house , or landmark or something where you can be bound. Also 
with this i would put level restrictions on it. when you get to a certain 
level you can be bound at those spots , but not until then.  And as you 
progress more bound areas become open to you. or perhaps once you accompish a 
certain task for a gate keeper at the area of the bound spot before he lets 
you in. something , anything is better than running 5 zones to get your 
corpse back. I know its in an attempt at equality and in roleplaying. but it 
isn't much fun, and it is time consuming. 
Ok if you've made it this far - woohoo i'm surprised 
All replies are good replies - thanks
Ulaien Firesong
Lvl 30 bard of tunare