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<b>Message ID:</b> 247 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Fri Jul 30 16:16:38 BST 1999 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> fkrueger@xx.xxx.xxx <br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Damn Vials!  Very Long Post <br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-680336147">I&#39;ve included a very long post below from the rogue forum re poison and vials.  I had hoped, with the introduction of vials, pottery would become a money maker again.  Last night I made my first vial at a cost of about 570 with a sell back price of 465.  I thought that would be ok, if I could sell them to rogues for 1-2 plat.  
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The difficulty with this is two fold.  One, you need a pelt.  There just isn&#39;t a reasonable source for these things in one place - you have to deal with low level plays who are collecting them, which greatly slows down the process.   Two, if the price of the vial is too high, I thought the rogues might take up pottery themselves, putting me out of business.  I thought we were safe from this because it would cost too much to get up to mastery now.  
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The attachment below explains how one rogue mastered pottery in a couple hours with an investment of 17pp!  Well, that&#39;s it.  If I have to buy from players, sell to players, and (in competitive analysis terms) the barriers to entry into the trade are low, it&#39;s a bum business.  I can&#39;t understand how with 17 pp you can master a trade when with fletching it costs me that much to go from 104 to 108!  
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These trades are screwed up in a major way!  I think I&#39;ll use up the 1000 pie tin sketches I have left and hang up my potter&#39;s apron.  Thanks for listening.
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Ramalama - Master Fletcher and Potter, Mithanial Marr
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The rogue post follows . . .
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From: dp &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:agra@...">agra@...</a>&gt;
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Well, in case anyone missed it, poisoning has been added to the game.
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The trick is, the components are pretty hard to find.
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Regardless, here is my experience.
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I&#39;m a 25 gnome rogue, with lots of faction (from quests) in halas, currently.
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To make poison, you need poison components (they vary) suspension (a base
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gel-like fluid) a vial (either regular or lined) and a mortar and pestle.
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Once you get a vial of poison, it apparently has 10 applications if you are
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successfull, and one if you aren&#39;t. (yes, that sucks, i agree).
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So, in less than 2 hours, with 100INT and 17plat, I went from 0 in pottery
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up to 104.  Why pottery you ask?  because this is what is needed to make
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vials.
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So, I made small jars up to 40, then medium bowls up to 104.  After that I
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switched to regular vials, and they have taken me to 125.  In any case,
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here&#39;s some component pricing for vials and pottery;
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2g5s5c - polar bear skin from vendor
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1s3c - flask of water
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3g8s2c - vial sketch
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5s1c - Hight Quality firing sheet
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1s9c - small block of clay
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if you were one hundred percent successfull you would consume all those
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resources every time you made a vial.  So that puts the cost to 5g20s20c or
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7g2s.  If someone sells you a vial for more than that, they are making a
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profit.  I was offered vials last night for one plat each.  that&#39;s not a
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bad price, EXCEPT that I can get my own skins from wolves and bears, so the
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cost is reduced to 5g and change, so they&#39;re making good money if all they
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do is pottery and sell poison vials for one plat.  Nevertheless, this will
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likely stimulate the lowbies to make alot of vials.  I now have 40 vials in
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the bank, and some suspension, but no poison-bearing components.
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(ichor/bile/sacs/etc)
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What follows is the full text of the book for poisoning:
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
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Vidlos,
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As promised I acquired the information you wanted.  I am hated in my own
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land now and you will compensate me for it.  The information is as follows:
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There are many poisons that do not need to be made.  Examples are the Vial
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of Rabid Froth and the CrookStinger Poison.  To make poisons use the mortar
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and pestle.  Before battle apply the poison to a piercing weapon.
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Poisons of the Desert
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Regalis Poison
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a poison vial
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suspension
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urticating hairs
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froglok poison gland
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Asp Poison
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a poison vial
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suspension
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two asp poison sacs
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Lixt Wing Dust
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two embalming dusts
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Poisons of the Snow
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Crystal Erits
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two crystallized marrows
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Cyctan Butil
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line poison vial
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suspension
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two cyclamine corms
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snake venom sac
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Sweet Lathyris
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two ichors
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giant wasp venom sac
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Poisons of the Fire
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Basalisk Poison
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two basilisk eyestalks
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Putrid Desil
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two putrid biles
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Festering Nettle
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lined poison vial
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suspension
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two ashroots
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Now you will deliver to me the map and the money I wish.  The price we
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decided on was 5pp;  I know want 40pp.  If I do not hear from you within
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two days, I will steal your herd.  If I do not hear from you in three days,
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I will burn your property.  If I do not hear from you in four days, I will
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kill you family.  You will live.  Your life will not.  Pay back your debt
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to me.  You will always owe me,
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Huysim
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Ok, so Huysim is a little deranged, but whatever.  There you have it folks.
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 I don&#39;t imagine this is TOO much of a spoiler, actually, as the book is
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only 2 plat and change, and is easily read by anyone who knows thieves
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cant.  The really wierd thing is that there are only TWO poisons in the
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book that use normal vials.  The rest use lined vials.  This means you must
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be a master potter (like 150+ skill) to effectively become a stand-alone
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poisoner.  Ah well, I will enjoy trying out my new skill today.
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It seems that poisoning is centered either in freeport (for the desert) and
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halas (for the snow)  I don&#39;t know anything about the fire..
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(neriak/lavastorm?)
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dp</div>