At 05:22 PM 9/17/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>From: Seamus McNeill <smcneill@...>
>
>well well well...what have i *hic* started. Sems two me dat a slite
>debate be goin on while i be away.
>
>I'm going to steer from my whole drunk arguement and go talk normal so
>every here can be understanding of what i have to say. That whole MY
>GAME, MY MONEY agruement is old and just an exscuse for someone to say
>
>"screw you....i don't care what you think...i'll do what I want and I
>don't care about anyone else"
well obviously they do care what you think or else we wouldn't be having this
discussion, heh.
>
>thats what the whole MY MONEY, MY GAME arguement means...and if you
>disagree with that you are wrong. The whole reason people say that is so
>they can justify what ever they do even when they are wrong. This is a
>roleplaying game with many many people playing at one time.
<sarcasm on>
yah i've never heard anyone justify whatever wrong thing they were doing by
saying
''oh but i was roleplaying''.
<sarcasm off>
See massive debate on eqvault forum probly 6-8 weeks ago where people were
arguing that it is fine to train other players if they were ''defending
their homeland'',
i.e. roleplaying.
>
>A massive multiplayer game right? Massively Multiplayer.....i think
>everyone can agree with that. And wheather or not you realize it
>everything you do has an effect on the other people who play the game.
>Every orc pawn you kill, every foraged piece of food you drop...it all has
>an effect on the other people on the server.
>
>Now that we have that understood....lets talk about twinking. Everytime
>you twink you take something away from someone who is at the right level
>to have that item. At 19 or 17 or 22 or whatever level he was...he took
>away an executioners hood from some 45th+ level character. He took the
>serpentine bracers away from some 40th+ level character who deserved it.
Why is that the case? I had my level 26 bard in blackburrow last week. no
one was in the big commander room. so i killed a bunch of them. Who did
I deny that loot to? No one. If I hadn't been there, no one would have
killed
them. In fact I have done good, I have generated *more* loot for the level
12ish
crowd to have. That's 10 more onyx earrings and spiked collars and studded
collars that otherwise would not have existed.
Which seems to bring up a tangent
that I just thought of. Are you actually saying that hi level guys should
not be
killing lower level mobs to get loot? Or is the act of giving the loot to
a lower
level character the problem? Is it bad for a lower level char to give the
loot to a
higher level character?
>
>And it's not the fact that he can go and get another one...it's the fact
>that he is just going to have to wait that much longer because there is
>some chump monk who can't earn his own equipment...he has to have older
>friends help him out or just use his own older character to get things for
>him cause he can't play the game like it was meant to be played.
If the 40th level character wasn't camping the mob who dropped the bracers
he doesn't ''deserve'' it any more than any schmuck wandering around in
greater
faydark.
>
>I hate twinking and i hate twinkers because you take things away from
>people who rightfully deserve those items. I don't care if your 48th
>level kill stealing wizard had to shoot down the hopes of a group of 45th
>levels to get the item....you still took it from them and gave it to
>someone who is 1/2 their age...maybe younger. Everytime you twink an item
>you screw someone who REALLY AND TRULEY DESERVES THE ITEM.
Ahhh, you seem to be confusing/lumping kill stealing and twinking. I
twinked my
paladin with stuff that my bard found. (my monk is on a different server)
I never stole
any loot or kills from any other party. i don't like kill stealing any
more than the
next guy. but that is outside of the realm of this discussion; we are
talking about
twinking, the act of giving items to a lower level character that couldn't
kill the mob
by himself.
>
>I think the one thing that people don't realize about this game and any
>other game is that it is everyones responsibility to provide a roleplaying
>environment. it is EVERYONES responsibility to PROVIDE a ROLEPLAYING
>ENVIRONMENT....it is a massively multiplayer roleplaying game after
>all.....
You can roleplay whatever you want. Twinking has nothing to do with that.
Whee's father was a tough dwarven adventurer with much experience who has
travelled the world and collected much knowledge and treasure. Unfortunately
he met his demise when trying to clear unrest manor of the foul creatures that
now populate the area. Whee has decided to follow her dear father's footsteps
and venture out to discover the wonders of Norrath. She has gone up to the
attic
to dust off several trunks of her father's old equipment that her mother
has stored
for some time now.
etc, etc, etc. now that's a perfectly believable roleplaying in character
background
for my character. and she has a blackened iron bastard sword, a
bloodstained
mantle and various pieces of bronze armor. so what. none of that was
stolen from
anyone else. no other hi level character got screwed. hell, no one other
than my
party was even in runnyeye when i got the bibs. tell me who i ''stole''
the bibs from
and who got ''screwed'' by it.
>
>Sligo
>Cazic Thule
>
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