well... im about to start a new monk 'cause my little bro is just now
startin' EQ and we were goin' ta group up... I am going to give the new monk
my monks stuff... nothin' really big LJ vest, couple o' pieces of mesh, the
rest woven and some low lvl jewelry... is that so bad? ... i was gonna slip
him a blood forge hammer as well... him being a cleric an' all... so you all
would think me a twink and leave a group if i were in it... ya know... i
earned all the stuff my self...
>From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Monks@onelist.com
>To: "'EQ-Monks@onelist.com'" <EQ-Monks@onelist.com>
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Monks] Digest Number 66
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:56:42 -0400
>
>From: Robb Flynn <RobF@...>
>
>Ok. Point well taken. Let me try to re-phrase and remain a calmer, more
>productive Praelor =).
>
>Does twinking affect more than the twinked? IMHO yes it does. My PoF
>example
>illustrates that, even though someone has pointed out an alternate
>reasoning
>on why the level restriction was put into place (I wont go into a debate on
>that as it is a different subject altogether. Suffice it to say that the
>alternate reasoning was just as valid as mine and I agree with it).
>
>My stance is not one of jealousy or envy. If it were, I would have my full
>shiverback tonight. I am in a guild with lvl 35+ members who had invited me
>a number of times into PoF with them for Shiverback before it was closed
>off
>to me. Each time I had declined. I knew I was not ready for such a venture.
>They have invited me to the depths of Lower Guk, and again I have declined.
>Soon I will be ready for Guk, and then and only then will I go. Do I want
>the azure sleeves and serp bracers? Absolutely. Will I buy them if I get an
>opportunity? Definitely. Would I accept one as a gift? Perhaps. It would
>depend upon who it was coming from. There is a thin line between the
>occasional gift and outright twinking. A full suit of Shiverback at lvl 19
>is not a gift. A BP necklace at lvl 19 could be. Would I take Praelor and
>go
>out and buy a full suit of steel plate (or whatever.. I don't know armors
>much outside what monks can wear) for a new cleric I was starting? Not a
>chance. And yet I have a friend who did just that. And did it while he owed
>me 100 plat! That is the selfishness I refer to. And that is the type of
>behavior that reflects upon all monks. When you think back to last weekend,
>do you first remember what a grand time you had in that group in Aviaks, or
>do you first remember that <expletive deleted> who did nothing but steal
>everyone's kills in Pickclaws all night? Do you remember the fun
>conversation you had with that little gnome on the boat to Butcherblock, or
>do you remember that blue con in Solusek running around in full rubicite
>and
>duel wielding 2 Ykesha (or whatever that sword is called) shouting for
>help?
>People tend to remember negative experiences first, negative impressions
>first. I personally have never grouped with someone who was obviously a
>twink, and have removed myself from groups when one would join. I do not
>wish to be associated with that type of selfish attitude, as I think it
>looks bad for all those who are associated with it.
>
>I know there is no stopping twinking. And believe it or not, I don't get
>mad
>in game about it. I have developed a definite rp attitude and opinion
>towards the twink. More often than not I chuckle softly to myself and go my
>merry way, avoiding the issue in-game entirely and knowing that this poor
>lvl 15 in full steel will perish in the oasis just as many times as I did
>in
>woven and mesh. But OOC I will be as vociferous and adamantly against
>twinking as my nerves will allow me =).
>
>And now for a little fun =)
>
>Hamlet, the Twink of Norrath
>
>To twink, or not to twink, that is the question,
>Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer
>The slings and arrows of outrageous demons
>Or take gifts amongst a sea of friends,
>And by opposing, confuse them, to die to twink
>No more, and by a twink, to say we end
>The heartache, and the thousand nat'ral shocks
>That flesh is heir to; Tis a attitude
>Devout to be wished to die than twink,.
>To twink, perchance to die; Aye there's the rub,
>For in that death of twink what eyes may come
>When we have shuffled off this mortal coil
>Must give us pause, there's the respect
>That makes mockery of so long life.
>For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
>The demons claw, the high level'd costume,
>the pangs of envied gear, the lawless delay,
>The insolence of office, and the spurns
>Of the patient merit him unworthy that takes
>Before his time a suit of gleaming rubicite.
>Who would these black pearls bear,
>To eat and sleep under a pamper'd life
>But then dread possible death in
>The undiscovered country from who's corpse
>No armor returns, puzzles the will,
>And makes us rather bear that gear we have,
>Than fly to others that we cannot ourselves obtain.
>Lack of conscience does make Twinkers of us all.
>And thus the natural hue of evolution
>Is sickly ore with the pale cast of fire emeralds
>And enterprises of great pitch and moment
>With this regard, their currents turn awry
>And loose the name of action. Soft you now,
>For Norrath calls for heroes and I shall answer:
>Be all our twinks outnumbered..
>
>
>Praelor Dileasai
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felizpunk@... [SMTP:Felizpunk@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:29 PM
> > To: EQ-Monks@onelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [EQ-Monks] Digest Number 66
> >
> > From: Felizpunk@...
> >
> > In a message dated 9/14/99 6:10:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > RobF@...
> > writes:
> >
> > << it is not about jealousy. It is about taking pride in actually
>earning
> > the
> > gear I wear and knowing that what I have, I got for myself, whether by
> > earning coin enough to buy it or by venturing and slaying the beast
>that
> > carries it. I got it. I did not have it handed to me on a silver
>platter
> > by
> > some high level friend who already has no problem getting as many as he
> > wants.
> >
> > Kind of like that spoiled rich kid in high school who was driving the
> > Corvette. Sure he looks cool, but you know damn well he didn't pay for
>it
> > or
> > the insurance that comes with it. Would I like to own a vette? you bet.
> > Would I take one if my folks offered it to me? hell no. All a matter of
> > self
> > pride vs. selfishness >>
> >
> >
> > Jealousy. Who cares what else anyone has, simply because they had it
> > handed
> > to them? If you are essentially concerned with what you've earned, then
> > why
> > does what others have bother you so much? It sounds like envy, and it at
> > best, reactive, rather than proactive. Bottled up ressentiment
>expressing
> > itself.
> >
> > I am not twinked. Everything I have, I have earned. But the fact that
> > someone else has not is irrelevant to me (unless I am harmed by it, as
>in
> > the
> > PoF example someone gave earlier.) Be proud of what you've earned, and
>do
> > your best to have fun.
> >
> > Just my thoughts on this matter... And btw, Praelor, I have enjoyed
>many
> > of
> > your thoughtful posts. I disagree with you about this, though.
> >
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