Sorry for the long delay in replying but I was out from work sick.
You are right, it is best to keep this debate intellectual.
I twink because at level 50, rather than quit the game I decided to experience
it from the point of view of another character. Therefore I took all of the
equipment I had accumulated over the month of camping and randoms etc etc. This
was MY equipment. To suggest that it belongs in the economy or that I should
donate/sell it to anyone else rather use it to my own ends. I chose to use that
equipment (non of it gotten from KSing or farming) to start a very well equipped
monk. Where have I done wrong?
You may have a valid argument about item farmers - these guys are Assholes in my
opinion as well. Somehow managing to stop twinking will *NOT* stop these guys
from farming. They could farm for items for trade or even for sale on Ebay.
Lastly, verant will never, ever do anything to stop twinking. For one reason
only: 50-60% of the newbie characters on my server and all the other older
servers are *heavily* twinked. What that means is that 50-60% of the people on
my server have reached level 50 and are continuing to enjoy the game by playing
a new character. Preventing them from enjoying some of the benefits of their
hard work and time invested in the game, will only cause many of them to defect
or lose interest in everquest. At my level, Everyone twinks. every last one. I
have never met a person who has been level 50 for more than a month who hasn't
twinked or quit (there may be afew of them out there but they are rare). If
twinking prolongs the life of a money paying customer, why should verant stop
it?
In summary:
To make a real life comparison: Hard working people struggle for a long time and
at the end of it are able to enjoy a comfortable life. As they grow old they
seek to allow their *children* the best advantage in the world by providing them
with all the best (private schools, medical care etc etc). The young and
struggling people of that time, seeing this, complain that this is nepotism and
unjust, but in time, they too have worked their way to the top and they in turn
seek to allow their children the benefit of their hard work.
All that I can say, is that in 3-4 months when you reach level 50 (you will
reach 50 faster than I did because the player base has gotten a lot smarter and
learned from some of the mistakes that the original players made) you will do
one of two things: quit EQ, or twink.
humbly submitted
Inno Blizzardfist
p.s.
Does anyone else out there use lotus cc mail?
how do I adjust the margins so they conform to the standard width? I hate that
my emails always have the lines going over.
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Subject: RE: Re[2]:[EQ-Monks] Experience and Twinking
Author: "Bennett; Brian" <
BRIAN.BENNETT@...>
Date: 02/10/2000 5:06 PM
From: "Bennett, Brian" <
BRIAN.BENNETT@...>
>I am sorry, but is this discussion about twinking or the fact that you
>started playing the game before I did? It sounds like you have some issues
>to deal with here and are very hostile about this discussion. I started
>this thread as an intelleuctual discussion, not a flame war. Twinkers have
>no more rights than Kill stealers in my estimation. Do you feel that we
Equating Twinking with kill stealing is wrong. KSing is anti-social and
directly "harms" others. Twinking, while it can be argued of an indirect
approach, does not.
>who started after you automatically owe you repsect because you have played
>a GAME longer than we have? I don't think so. I, too, spend my time in
>dungeons, dying and dying again, in the search for elusive items and
>experience. Items and experience are becoming harder and harder to find
>due to server overcrowding and spawn camping. To me, you were lucky that
What's with respect? So I've been playing for a year - I've put in more
time, I've paid more money, I've seen more things - does that mean you owe
me respect? Hardly. Sorta a life metaphor... My parents have more money
than me, have more possessions, have more everything it seems - I'm scraping
by and trying to buy a crappy home and they're cruising the states,
retirement style. So if they have a kid, they'll probably give that kid a
lot more than they gave me... they have the resources for it. Not fair?
Sure. Does it really change my life or actions? Hell no.
>you didn't have to deal with people camping spawning points early in the
>ife of the game. It was probably easier for you to find creatures of the
>appropriate level. When I go out looking, I often find that people will
Yea. Obviously next time a new server goes up, create a monk in Freeport
and see how long it takes you to get to level 2. This is neither here nor
there, but this is a serious case of "The Grass Is Greener...." Contrary
to popular belief, it gets much harder to get exp at higher levels, because
the load of exp bearing creatures that don't require 17 groups to hold down
gets smaller and smaller. Like I said, not really on topic.
>jump on monsters, yelling "Mine! Mine", like some 2 year old, because they
>need the XP or the items. Do not make assupmtions about me. I do not take
>for granted that I can buy serp bracers for 200pp or any of the other
>things. Why? Because I play this game for adventuring purposes. At 17th
>level, I figured that the 200 pp I had stashed away would last me quite a
>while. That is 200pp I earned the hard way. No one gave it to me. It is
Get off the cross, we need the wood. 99% of all players have gone through
this. And by the way, I didn't have my first 200 pp until I was well into
my 20's.
>twinking that is one of the causes of the drop in prices for items. If
Bull - absolute bull. Twinkers aren't selling the items they're wearing.
Lower prices, more supply. Less Supply, higher prices. Perhaps you've
heard of it? The ole "Supply and Demand" theory. I just can't figure out
why a glowing stein is still selling for 250 pp on Quell.
>every 6th level character has access ti items intended for a 20th level
>character, those items will decrease in value. As for the fact that you
So by your theory... if there was a magic level limit and such... the
prices would go up??? No, you've created a higher inventory with a smaller
consumer base. In other words, you've made a bad situation worse. Again,
this is part of my revolutionary "With greater supply comes cheaper prices"
theory. Twinkers cause prices to fall? Puh-lease.
>shouldn't have to invest 9 months into a new character: Why not? Are you
>afraid that you will get bored? You already have intimate knowledge of
>most of the areas of the world that you can use to your advantage. Why
The fact that it was his 9 months and his items means he can do any damn
thing he wants to. Including, but not limited to, creating a Troll
Enchanter and trying to twink it's INT up to 500.
should you add the capability of walking around with items that your
character would never have had to chance to obtain? To be honest, I do not
have a problem with a character getting a sword or a piece of armor from
someone, even another of the PCs that a player owns.. There are plenty of
historical and fantasy based accounts of this, but when someone steps onto
the stage, a new character, decked out in itmes that should belong to a
10th level or 20th level or 30th level characters, it really cheeses those
of us who are trying to earn the items legitimately. Every item that goes
into a twinkers hands, is one less that I or another honest player can earn.
BUZZ!!!! Thank you for playing! Except for the MASSIVELY rare spawns,
there are several holes in your theory. First, most of the ultra-rare items
are on very very high level creatures. So honest player #1 that is level 18
- sorry, you would never legitimately get this item. Secondly, most of the
servers that have been around for a while... there's at least 2,000 of
everything it seems, except as I said, the ultra rares, that honest players
have no chance of getting while they're young.
Twink used to really mean something. Now all it means is someone who has
better stuff than you do.
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